Brexit discussion

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's funny how often what's best for young people is to cut their benefits, mental health services and support for educational funding whilst increasing the amount given out for pensions isn't it?

Although there are exceptions the evidence suggests demographics as a whole vote in their own best interest. Young people vote for parties that'll make university cheaper, Older people vote for parties which will increase their pensions. It would be better to be honest about that rather than pretend it's altruistic.

What nonsense! Older people encourage the young to go out and work to support their families instead of sleeping in and relying on benefits.

Only those in genuine need should get handouts from taxpayers' money.

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Originally Posted by arcimedes

Unfortunately in this case they got it totally wrong.

No, they didn't, you young whippersnapper!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

What nonsense! Older people encourage the young to go out and work to support their families instead of sleeping in and relying on benefits.

It's probably why their health services should be cut too.

Young people aren't stupid, they know why the government is doing it. So it's no surprise that someone like Corbyn makes inroads.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's funny how often what's best for young people is to cut their benefits, mental health services and support for educational funding whilst increasing the amount given out for pensions isn't it?

Although there are exceptions the evidence suggests demographics as a whole vote in their own best interest. Young people vote for parties that'll make university cheaper, Older people vote for parties which will increase their pensions. It would be better to be honest about that rather than pretend it's altruistic.

Like the libdems , how's that working out for you ?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's probably why their health services should be cut too.

Young people aren't stupid, they know why the government is doing it. So it's no surprise that someone like Corbyn makes inroads.

Older people suffer far more than young people from cuts to health benefits, and let's not forget who trashed our economy. Christ!

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Like the libdems , how's that working out for you ?

Well I old enough that it didn't hit me. I am not part of the 'young' demographic.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Older people suffer far more than young people from cuts to health benefits, and let's not forget who trashed our economy. Christ!

Well it wasn't the young people who'll have to pay for it.

And I am not talking about the NHS generally since I agree they would disproportionately suffer. I am talking about sexual and mental health services aimed at teenagers and young adults which were closed. Youth centers too incidentally. If it's aimed at young people and paid for by government chances are it's been cut/abolished.

Originally Posted by arcimedes

Unfortunately in this case they got it totally wrong.

Unfortunately nothing. No they, we haven’t!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well it wasn't the young people who'll have to pay for it.

And I am not talking about the NHS generally since I agree they would disproportionately suffer. I am talking about sexual and mental health services aimed at teenagers and young adults which were closed. Youth centers too incidentally. If it's aimed at young people and paid for by government chances are it's been cut/abolished.

Once again, you are forgetting whose negligence it was that we were unable to cope with the financial crisis that beset us prior to the 2010 coalition government. We are still picking up the tab for that.

So where is the money coming from to do all the things you want the NHS to pay for, all the benefits to be paid, etc? Yes, it's getting even more difficult as the oldies retire in greater numbers and the young find they have to start paying their way.

To be fair, most do, but the increase in the number of people who think the money should just land on their plates is worrying.

Anyway, one way of making more money to provide for people is for this country to increase its income. Brexit provides us with an opportunity to do that. Continued membership of the EU is steadily but slowly leading to economic stagnation, and it will get far worse with the next financial crisis.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Older people suffer far more than young people from cuts to health benefits, and let's not forget who trashed our economy. Christ!

aye the bankers so even Brextremists cant blame EU for that

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

aye the bankers so even Brextremists cant blame EU for that

The actual economic shock was indeed the bankers, but if Labour hadn't spent every last penny of our money during the good years, this would not have turned into a crisis for the UK. That's a matter of record now.

Agreed, the EU were not responsible for that either, but their crazy Euro project was so ill thought out that there were casualties like Greece, Portugal and Spain, which almost brought all the dominos down with catastrophic effect. It will happen again, and next time these economies may collapse altogether because it will take so long for them to recover from the last one.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The actual economic shock was indeed the bankers, but if Labour hadn't spent every last penny of our money during the good years, this would not have turned into a crisis for the UK. That's a matter of record now.

Do you have a link evidencing this then, if it's a matter of record?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

You are wrong and I will keep telling you this no matter how many times you bring it up.

You cannot bring in people who could not be arsed to vote and people ineligible to vote. 52% of those who decided to vote in one of the biggest ever democratic processes, chose Brexit. NO other figure you bring is relevant-end of!

You can keep telling me until you are blue in the face but it will not make you right The facts are that 37% of the electorate decided the economic future of the entire nation for a generation based on a campaign of lies and misinformation.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Older people suffer far more than young people from cuts to health benefits, and let's not forget who trashed our economy. Christ!

I am not sure Christ was actually to blame Rather the bankers I feel. Watch the "'Big Short" and then you will see.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Agreed, Mick. In all previous generations, younger people have turned to older people to get the wisdom of their experience. Old people want the best for their younger ones and sometimes have to save them from themselves.

The arrogance is astounding! The "Old People" "want the best", the "Old People" have "saved" the "Younger People" .. come off it. They didn't give a stuff what the younger generation wanted or needed.

Just be honest, they voted for what they wanted and for no other reason.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You can keep telling me until you are blue in the face but it will not make you right The facts are that 37% of the electorate decided the economic future of the entire nation for a generation based on a campaign of lies and misinformation.

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I am not sure Christ was actually to blame Rather the bankers I feel. Watch the "'Big Short" and then you will see.

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The arrogance is astounding! The "Old People" "want the best", the "Old People" have "saved" the "Younger People" .. come off it. They didn't give a stuff what the younger generation wanted or needed.

Just be honest, they voted for what they wanted and for no other reason.

The petulance is astounding .......

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

The petulance is astounding .......

Inane one-line replies aside, care to explain how my analysis is wrong?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am not sure Christ was actually to blame Rather the bankers I feel. Watch the "'Big Short" and then you will see.

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The arrogance is astounding! The "Old People" "want the best", the "Old People" have "saved" the "Younger People" .. come off it. They didn't give a stuff what the younger generation wanted or needed.

Just be honest, they voted for what they wanted and for no other reason.

No, Christ wasn’t to blame and if you also would like to stop the ‘straw man’ arguments, you will see I acknowledged both the bankers’ role and Labour’s role in our economic collapse.

As for your comment that the older generation don’t care about the younger generation, I think that says rather a lot about you and your attitude.

I love my daughters and grandkids and want a better life for them than I had. So how dare you!

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, Christ wasn’t to blame and if you also would like to stop the ‘straw man’ arguments, you will see I acknowledged both the bankers’ role and Labour’s role in our economic collapse.

As for your comment that the older generation don’t care about the younger generation, I think that says rather a lot about you and your attitude.

I love my daughters and grandkids and want a better life for them than I had. So how dare you!

Trying to skew the argument to an attack on you and your personal family is beneath you. You know full well that the overwhelmingly majority of younger voters wanted to Remain and an equally overwhelmingly majority of older voters did not:

How Britain Voted

Age is the other great fault line. Under-25s were more than twice as likely to vote Remain (71%) than Leave (29%). Among over-65s the picture is almost the exact opposite, as 64% of over-65s voted to Leave while only 36% voted to Remain

Play the ball and not the man ..