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Old Yesterday, 00:14   #1636
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If you can’t disassociate legitimate criticism of Israel from antisemitism that says more about you than me, I’m afraid.

I’m not sure describing lobby groups as successful in steering political parties is an “extremely serious charge” given it is their objective to do so.

The pretence merely exists to delegitimise what is ostensibly a legitimate observation to make.

The alternative is they have no influence, unless of course it is pure chance that both major political parties have been broadly silent on the plight of the people of Gaza for too long. It’s a bad day when even Pierre, who robustly defended his position in that thread, is quicker to say Israel have gone too far before many of our politicians who still use mealy mouthed qualifications to avoid criticising Israel. You may insist this happens by chance however Occam’s razor would suggest it is by design.
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If you can’t disassociate legitimate criticism of Israel from antisemitism that says more about you than me, I’m afraid.

I’m not sure describing lobby groups as successful in steering political parties is an “extremely serious charge” given it is their objective to do so.

The pretence merely exists to delegitimise what is ostensibly a legitimate observation to make.

The alternative is they have no influence, unless of course it is pure chance that both major political parties have been broadly silent on the plight of the people of Gaza for too long. It’s a bad day when even Pierre, who robustly defended his position in that thread, is quicker to say Israel have gone too far before many of our politicians who still use mealy mouthed qualifications to avoid criticising Israel. You may insist this happens by chance however Occam’s razor would suggest it is by design.
Nice attempt at a segue but I’m not having it. One moment you’re talking about unspecified pro-Israel lobbyists having political parties ‘in their pocket’ - a phrase which means rather more than ‘successful lobbying’ as you well know - the next you’re talking about legitimate criticism of the Israeli state. These are not all the same things.

For the record, I don’t think you’re a Jew-hating anti-Semite, but I do think you consume political commentary less critically than you ought to from what appears to be only one side of this whole mess.
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How can your point still stand if the Speaker did not throw out Parliamentary procedure because of the risk of an Islamist retaliation?
He used it as an excuse, either way it’s a perceived threat.

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The biggest threat to the democratic institutions to this country is the major political parties in the pockets of big business and,
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Who and what is the “pro-Israel” lobby?

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Are you denying the existence of a pro-Israel lobby in the UK that actively campaigns to push policy initiatives on both major political parties that further the cause and interests of the Israeli state?
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Yes. I am, until you offer evidence of such.

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It’s a bad day when even Pierre, who robustly defended his position in that thread, is quicker to say Israel have gone too far
I think my stance was that they’ve gone far enough.
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For the record, I don’t think you’re a Jew-hating anti-Semite
That’s a positive, I guess.
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From 1979 ? Unlikely, unless they were very young. **


Well, as we all know, they'll get that opportunity soon enough.


** Edit.
Apparently there are two ;
Barry Sheerman (Lab) Elected 1979.
Sir Peter Bottomley (Con) Elected 1975.
In both cases, their party lost the election.
To clarify, I do not remember either of them.
So base your opinion on something that hasn't happened? Cool if that works for you but I prefer to base mine on facts, and what we know for certain. Such as the **** party's propensity for screwing us over for billions to go to their mates then blame it all on brown people in boats.
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So base your opinion on something that hasn't happened? Cool if that works for you but I prefer to base mine on facts, and what we know for certain. Such as the **** party's propensity for screwing us over for billions to go to their mates then blame it all on brown people in boats.
Probably the best description of the Tories I have ever heard. Well said.
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