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Old 09-04-2018, 20:33   #286
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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Well unfortunately it is more the democrats that want gun bans and the republicans who usually support the 2nd amendment so it is a republicans versus democrats issue. Most americans have no interest in owning grenade launchers or bazookas but want to own any semi auto they want though yes there are states where you can own them. If firearms were a constantly negative thing no one would support them but in the U.S they are not and there are more incidents of them saving lives such as house break ins and citizens supporting police officers in some cases saving the life of a police officer but that side rarely gets mentioned on the news in the U.S let alone here but it happens and that's why it's not the black and white issue for americans as it is for foreigners.
Don't Democrats support the Second Amendment as well?
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Old 09-04-2018, 23:04   #287
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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The NRA brigade and it's members really are mocking this London murders being higher than New York and attributing it to banning guns and any other weapon, they firmly believe in the right to bear arms, is a pure birth right to them.
The problem with Guns in the US is, IMO, the NRA. Not only does it seem they are actively promoting the sale of guns, but it seems they are also going out of their way to actively block any attempt to restrict the sale of guns, and even research into the effects of guns on society.

Introducing more guns into our society will not solve anything. It hasn't in America (in fact, I'd argue the opposite, it has made things worse). Personally, I believe there are two differences that making guns relatively easy to obtain makes: It increases the chances of the perps turning up to attack someone fully tooled up, and it makes it easier for them to obtain bigger guns.

I personally don't think a total ban on guns in the US would work. Tightening up restrictions on who can get them in combination with several gun amnesties will help over several years though. It has in every other country they have done it.

BTW, they can laugh all they want. We have far fewer mass shootings.
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

You are right Stuart a total ban on firearms is totally unworkable.

I have friends in the US who go hunting, they need a firearm for that.
They don't go hunting for fun as they eat everything they kill perhaps not there and then but it stocks the freezer up! Their rifles go into a gun safe when they return from hunting trips.

Now let's look at hand guns. It is accepted that yes if you need a handgun for protection you should be able to have one. That is the american mindset.

So 2 examples of fulfilling the 2nd amendment. Both have an explained need. A rifle for hunting and a handgun for self defense.

Can someone explain the need for an assault rifle, bump stock and extra large magazine?
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

Hunter Pollack is a brother of one of the victims in the Florida school shooting, he absolutely scorned the FBI raid on Trump's lawyer last night.... he tweeted the following:

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The politically motivated FBI could act on raiding a lawyers office for documents related to an adult film star but they couldn't act on stopping the shooter that murdered my sister and 16 others even though he was reported to them multiple times! Fix It!
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Hunter Pollack is a brother of one of the victims in the Florida school shooting, he absolutely scorned the FBI raid on Trump's lawyer last night.... he tweeted the following:



https://twitter.com/PollackHunter/st...32435492229121
I'm pretty sure the FBI agents in New York wouldn't have been involved in Florida cases.
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I'm pretty sure the FBI agents in New York wouldn't have been involved in Florida cases.
Not at all but this families loss won't be helped knowing the FBI can act on a referral very swiftly because they are politically motivated (as this guy said in his tweet) but when it comes to saving lives, they were told multiple times about this Cruz kid and they did nothing. Shameful.
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The F.B.I, local police department and the school all could have stopped cruz at various points and none of them did and the scumbag went on to do exactly what he said he would but all the attention has been put onto firearms. This was a catastrophic system failure that ended up killing a lot of people and that's been completely brushed over in the rush to use this incident to further the gun control agenda being honest the speed with which the anti gunners capitalise on these incidents using families of the victims makes me nearly as sick as the incidents themselves.
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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The F.B.I, local police department and the school all could have stopped cruz at various points and none of them did and the scumbag went on to do exactly what he said he would but all the attention has been put onto firearms. This was a catastrophic system failure that ended up killing a lot of people and that's been completely brushed over in the rush to use this incident to further the gun control agenda being honest the speed with which the anti gunners capitalise on these incidents using families of the victims makes me nearly as sick as the incidents themselves.
'System failures' don't kill people, guns do.
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They do kill people if they should have stopped a killer and didn't.
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

Can the police in America take guns off people they are concerned about?
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Yes they can if they have cause to question the mental health of an individual which they had in spades in this instance and cruz broke multiple laws long before the school shooting that would have meant he couldn't purchase firearms. That was the first screw up by the school they could have had him charged when he attended school with knives and ammunition but they took the easy way out and expelled him. The number of times this kid should have been charged were staggering and yet no one took any official action, I'm not very versed in U.S law but I'd imagine there is a lawyer who could make a case out of the systemic failings in this case.
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