Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
08-04-2018, 15:59
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
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A judge in Massachusetts on Friday ruled against a lawsuit that questioned the state’s ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines, declaring that the weapons were not protected by the Second Amendment.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/06...dge-rules.html
How many other states will follow?
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08-04-2018, 17:26
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
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Washington DC, California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, and New York (as well as Mass.) already ban assault weapons - here’s hoping others follow.
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08-04-2018, 22:06
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
Very few others will follow as lines are getting drawn and the majority of states are happy with things as they are and have no interest in further gun control. It's not just a gun control issue firearms and associated industries are a multi billion dollar industry of skilled employee's what happens to them if the democrat city dwellers get their way.
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08-04-2018, 22:38
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
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Very few others will follow as lines are getting drawn and the majority of states are happy with things as they are and have no interest in further gun control. It's not just a gun control issue firearms and associated industries are a multi billion dollar industry of skilled employee's what happens to them if the democrat city dwellers get their way.
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"get their way" - what, you mean being a gun being treated equally as another tool, the car - registered, insured, and tested?
Such a blow to individual freedoms...
If they can have assault weapons, why can't they have grenade launchers and bazookas?
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08-04-2018, 23:47
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
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If they can have assault weapons, why can't they have grenade launchers and bazookas?
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Thats what I keep asking my local police force, but they wont let me have a bazooka, or grenade launcher.
I'm not seeing where this random question comes from, but apparently you are allowed to own grenade launchers and bazookas in the US (at least in some states).
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09-04-2018, 00:28
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing
Very few others will follow as lines are getting drawn and the majority of states are happy with things as they are and have no interest in further gun control. It's not just a gun control issue firearms and associated industries are a multi billion dollar industry of skilled employee's what happens to them if the democrat city dwellers get their way.
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Hopefully matters like controlling assault weapons more robustly won't become a simple Republican v Democrat debate.
In terms of employees, Smith & Wesson employs about 1,800 in total whereas a company like GM employs 180,000. So it's more about protecting the profits for the shareholders and sales outlets and less about protecting skilled manufacturing jobs.
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09-04-2018, 01:08
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
Well unfortunately it is more the democrats that want gun bans and the republicans who usually support the 2nd amendment so it is a republicans versus democrats issue. Most americans have no interest in owning grenade launchers or bazookas but want to own any semi auto they want though yes there are states where you can own them. If firearms were a constantly negative thing no one would support them but in the U.S they are not and there are more incidents of them saving lives such as house break ins and citizens supporting police officers in some cases saving the life of a police officer but that side rarely gets mentioned on the news in the U.S let alone here but it happens and that's why it's not the black and white issue for americans as it is for foreigners.
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09-04-2018, 09:37
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing
Well unfortunately it is more the democrats that want gun bans and the republicans who usually support the 2nd amendment so it is a republicans versus democrats issue. Most americans have no interest in owning grenade launchers or bazookas but want to own any semi auto they want though yes there are states where you can own them. If firearms were a constantly negative thing no one would support them but in the U.S they are not and there are more incidents of them saving lives such as house break ins and citizens supporting police officers in some cases saving the life of a police officer but that side rarely gets mentioned on the news in the U.S let alone here but it happens and that's why it's not the black and white issue for americans as it is for foreigners.
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How would you measure that?
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09-04-2018, 12:02
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
It's also geography and ecology. If you live somewhere where a large, heavily armoured reptile could invade your living space and threaten you, your family, your livestock you want the appropriate tools to deal with it. The same can be said for the mobile fur coats living in other areas.
These districts often tend to be sparsely populated with more difficult travel conditions. Assistance can take some time to arrive and you may not be particularly skilled in operating firearms - you need help to hit what you need to hit.
Guns of any type are a tool and it's not restricting types of tool people can get that needs most attention but the types of people who are allowed to get the tool, and maybe where they are allowed to be taken. Certainly you can do less damage with a single pistol than an array of assault weapons but that doesn't help if it's your child/wife/parent that is the one person killed before the assailant is dealt with.
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09-04-2018, 13:02
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
Totally agree - a gun is just a tool that is for a specific task, just like a car/motorbike is a tool for another task.
So, ensure people are adequately trained in how to use the tool, have to register the tool, and have insurance in case something goes wrong.
I am still in contact with US Army and Air Force people I served with, and they were trained to use and respect weapons, not treat them as toys - they have gun safes, carry out safe procedures when using the weapons, and they despair when they hear about ‘accidental discharges’ of guns; as far as they are concerned, there are no ‘accidental duscharges’, only user negligence and carelessness. They would never leave a gun where a child could access it, or point a gun at someone ‘in fun’ - it’s not how they (and I) were trained.
btw, shoot a 500 pound bear with an AR-15, and you’d just make him angry- you need a bigger calibre to stop one of those. It’s the same for home defence- use an AR-15 indoors, and just hope you don’t hit anyone else in the house after firing 30 rounds through the internal walls; weapon of choice is a shotgun or reasonable calibre hand gun.
Back to the initial premise - use the right tool for the job.
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09-04-2018, 13:53
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
The NRA brigade and it's members really are mocking this London murders being higher than New York and attributing it to banning guns and any other weapon, they firmly believe in the right to bear arms, is a pure birth right to them.
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09-04-2018, 13:56
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
"In a well regulated Militia"
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09-04-2018, 15:57
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
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The NRA brigade and it's members really are mocking this London murders being higher than New York and attributing it to banning guns and any other weapon, they firmly believe in the right to bear arms, is a pure birth right to them.
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Another reason why the reporting on the London 'crime wave' has been irresponsible. New York had more violent crime last year and more crime so far this year too.
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09-04-2018, 17:48
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
It’s interesting to note that Florida Governor, Rick Scott has announced he is attempting to run for the Senate. Rick Scott is the one who called for age limit of 21 to purchase a gun, in the immediate aftermath of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas School Massacre.
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09-04-2018, 21:02
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
I'll correct myself here. The 2nd amendment states
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Unfortunately the wording is ambiguous and has different interpretations.
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