Coronavirus (OLD)

Originally Posted by Carth

Woke up in my own bed . . . a vast improvement over the strange hedges I woke under during my youth

Like these?

[Carth]

Quite possibly Hugh, although my view was from the ground upwards, with a hangover, . . . and the rustle of multi-legged 'things' exploring this strange body laid comatose in their domain

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Modern car batteries can go flat in as little as two weeks. Stop start batteries are the worst affected

Can but rare, I’ve never come back from 2weeks holiday to a flat battery, and I doubt that many do.

If it’s a worry take it for a spin around the block every few days.

Originally Posted by Maggy

Is there ANYTHING CF members WON'T argu...debate about?

17 years and 2.5 million posts. So, no.

[denphone]

On a more serious note it looks like we are about a week away from hitting the peak of the curve and these figures might suggest that.

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status...22545840119810

Originally Posted by Chris

17 years and 2.5 million posts. So, no.

I disagree...

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Can but rare, I’ve never come back from 2weeks holiday to a flat battery, and I doubt that many do.

If it’s a worry take it for a spin around the block every few days.

Two weeks I would agree in some cases, but this is likely to go on for I would of thought for at least another three weeks. A spin around the block is not likely to do much good and could possibly deplete the battery further. Then you have (if driving a diesel) the DPF etc to consider also

[jfman]

Some interesting analysis by the Economist (of all places!) looking at the excess deaths in Spain and Italy against the long term trend of expected deaths. These are far in excess of the given Coronavirus figures (and obviously it captures deaths where they don’t have it, for example a car crash could have fatalities as a result of no ICU beds or where treatment isn’t available for usually treatable conditions).

However, what would be interesting to see is if someone followed the trends after Coronavirus - would the “they would probably have died anyway/underlying health condition” line stack up in which case we would see a decrease in deaths for around 12 months. Or would it simply be a line that politicians have trotted out that became disproven over time by statistics.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Some interesting analysis by the Economist (of all places!) looking at the excess deaths in Spain and Italy against the long term trend of expected deaths. These are far in excess of the given Coronavirus figures (and obviously it captures deaths where they don’t have it, for example a car crash could have fatalities as a result of no ICU beds or where treatment isn’t available for usually treatable conditions).

However, what would be interesting to see is if someone followed the trends after Coronavirus - would the “they would probably have died anyway/underlying health condition” line stack up in which case we would see a decrease in deaths for around 12 months. Or would it simply be a line that politicians have trotted out that became disproven over time by statistics.

A good question. Is it possible, though, that the politicians are being more careful this time with their "follow the science" mantra, leaving the statistics to the professionals? Vide the daily briefings.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/b...navirus-2020-4

Bill Gates is funding new factories for 7 potential coronavirus vaccines, even though it will waste billions of dollars

On Thursday’s episode of “The Daily Show,” the Microsoft billionaire told the host Trevor Noah that his philanthropic organisation, the Gates Foundation, could mobilize faster than governments to fight the coronavirus outbreak.

“Because our foundation has such deep expertise in infectious diseases, we’ve thought about the epidemic, we did fund some things to be more prepared, like a vaccine effort,” Gates said. “Our early money can accelerate things.”

Gates said he was picking the top seven vaccine candidates and building manufacturing capacity for them. “Even though we’ll end up picking at most two of them, we’re going to fund factories for all seven, just so that we don’t waste time in serially saying, ‘OK, which vaccine works?’ and then building the factory,” he said.

Gates said that simultaneously testing and building manufacturing capacity is essential to the quick development of a vaccine, which Gates thinks could take about 18 months.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Two weeks I would agree in some cases, but this is likely to go on for I would of thought for at least another three weeks. A spin around the block is not likely to do much good and could possibly deplete the battery further. Then you have (if driving a diesel) the DPF etc to consider also

Shunt fuse if it has one (prominent on french cars, any vehicle with a BSI supplied by PSA Group). Doesn't need changed back until needed for full time use. It'll just keep resetting the dash and won't open with the fob after it shuts down. Depending on country or origin. Park/Parc. The current fuse position would be in client mode.

Alternatively - Dealer mode/shutdown/transport is activated via software in the dash in newer model cars. Manufacturers have steps dotted about for models.

Then there's ones of course that are completely unusable without a proprietary tool/software

[Angua]

Originally Posted by jfman

Some interesting analysis by the Economist (of all places!) looking at the excess deaths in Spain and Italy against the long term trend of expected deaths. These are far in excess of the given Coronavirus figures (and obviously it captures deaths where they don’t have it, for example a car crash could have fatalities as a result of no ICU beds or where treatment isn’t available for usually treatable conditions).

However, what would be interesting to see is if someone followed the trends after Coronavirus - would the “they would probably have died anyway/underlying health condition” line stack up in which case we would see a decrease in deaths for around 12 months. Or would it simply be a line that politicians have trotted out that became disproven over time by statistics.

Surely deaths from not getting chemotherapy (and similar) in time will go up. These don't rely on ICU beds.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by downquark1

To combat the virus Boris has rightly or wrongly introduced what is pretty much a temporary communist system. The type of conservative that reads the telegraph is not going to be happy either way.

I'd predict the final fallout will depend on how badly other nations manage and how quickly the measures are removed. Sweden will be interesting.

The Swedish Government are seeking the emergency powers required to introduce a lockdown.

https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-mulls-u...ons/a-53020024

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Originally Posted by Angua

Surely deaths from not getting chemotherapy (and similar) in time will go up. These don't rely on ICU beds.

Yes, as hospitals become overwhelmed with the Covid-19 response this will undoubtedly impact other treatments and wider mortality rates.

[denphone]

Nothing like ignoring your own governments advice it seems..

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...edic-covid-19/

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-04/...g-second-home/

[Sephiroth]

My thanks to jfman for introducing an article on the Deutsche Welle web site.

In my case the article of interest is: https://www.dw.com/en/eus-von-der-le...ope/a-53021106

Marshall plan for Europe!

A quote from DW: "The many billions that have to be invested today to avert a greater catastrophe will bind the generations together," she [von der Leyen] wrote, calling the crisis a chance to renew the feeling of community among the nations of Europe."

This was accompanied by what the Spanish PM said (obviously in begging bowl mode): "Europe has to establish a wartime economy and put in place measures for the defense, the reconstruction and the economic recovery of Europe....".

It will be interesting to watch this being played out as Brussels tries to take control ogf the Coronavirus situation and to hold the EU together.

I think the above just about squeaks in as on topic!

EDIT: Wasn't the Marshall Plan a huge cash injection from the USA?