27-08-2020, 02:05
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#5221
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
I think the term is “agile”.
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... or "Knee Jerk".
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27-08-2020, 09:03
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#5222
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Re: Coronavirus
Or even:
Talk about Whack-a-Mole government.
boris_whack_a_mole.jpg
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27-08-2020, 09:53
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#5223
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
What circumstances changed with the app? with free school meals? The government has been guided by the science of polling in all these u-turns.
The U-turns have been:
1. Masks in schools
2. Evictions
3. Exam grades
4. Face coverings in shops
5. NHS contract tracing app
6. Free school meals
7. Schools back before the Summer
8. Masks on public transport
9. Proxy vote
10. NHS surcharge
11. Leave to remain
12. Herd immunity
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Which of these do you disagree with?
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27-08-2020, 10:08
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Which of these do you disagree with?
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Without reviewing the detail of each one, on the basis of those I do know, I suspect they got it wrong first time and by largely reacting to Nicola Sturgeon's lead, they eventually got it right.
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27-08-2020, 10:21
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#5225
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Which of these do you disagree with?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Without reviewing the detail of each one, on the basis of those I do know, I suspect they got it wrong first time and by largely reacting to Nicola Sturgeon's lead, they eventually got it right.
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Politicians answer . . . much said without saying anything, but including the compulsory dig at Boris
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27-08-2020, 11:25
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#5226
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Carth
Politicians answer . . . much said without saying anything, but including the compulsory dig at Boris
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It's a bit unfair having a dig at Boris - as certain people keep reminding us it's not the Government at fault but the useless civil servants. However, I wonder how many have been civil servants since before the General Election in 2010? Remember when we had a Labour government it was ALWAYS their fault and never the civil servants (and according to some here most of the problems we face now are still their doing). Double standards me thinks .
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27-08-2020, 12:32
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Without reviewing the detail of each one, on the basis of those I do know, I suspect they got it wrong first time and by largely reacting to Nicola Sturgeon's lead, they eventually got it right.
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So you agree they did the right thing? And had they not changed track they would have been criticised.
IMO the only major blunder in the list you gave was the A-level fiasco. Everything else is just small stuff that it wasn’t worth fighting over. The school face mask for example - only affects secondary schools In areas where further restrictions have been implemented, and gives head teachers autonomy as required. Not really a massive u-turn to get all worked up over is it?
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27-08-2020, 13:07
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
So you agree they did the right thing? And had they not changed track they would have been criticised.
IMO the only major blunder in the list you gave was the A-level fiasco. Everything else is just small stuff that it wasn’t worth fighting over. The school face mask for example - only affects secondary schools In areas where further restrictions have been implemented, and gives head teachers autonomy as required. Not really a massive u-turn to get all worked up over is it?
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The NHS app one was pretty bad. From the very start people were saying it cannot work, the Government said it could, and then it didn't work. Months lost on that.
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27-08-2020, 14:09
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Re: Coronavirus
I'd say the worst was not locking down earlier.
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27-08-2020, 15:40
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Re: Coronavirus
The app was just plain British exceptionalism.
I agree the failed herd immunity plan aka late lockdown was worse. This was when the government dropped mass testing and contact tracing in the early spring in order to pursue the “herd immunity” strategy.
The plan was abandoned as hospitals filled up and BoJo then announced lockdown.
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27-08-2020, 16:24
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The app was just plain British exceptionalism.
I agree the failed herd immunity plan aka late lockdown was worse. This was when the government dropped mass testing and contact tracing in the early spring in order to pursue the “herd immunity” strategy.
The plan was abandoned as hospitals filled up and BoJo then announced lockdown.
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Which dictionary are you (and a lot of other people) using?
Have you redefined the words "exceptional" and "exceptionalism"?
From 22nd April
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Among the coronavirus contact-tracing apps for which the data model is known, 70 per cent operate on a centralised system globally. This means that the location or proximity tracing data processed by the app is funnelled into a centrally run database (most likely controlled by the government or local health service) rather than being stored locally on the user’s phone.
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Interestingly, the data also reveals that 64 per cent of apps have opted to track citizens using GPS data, with the remaining 36 per cent choosing Bluetooth. This is in spite of the fact that Bluetooth is widely recognised to be much more accurate.
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So nothing "exceptional" about the UK approach.
Mass testing and contact tracing were halted on the SAME basis as countries like Germany and South Korea, ie too many cases occurring.
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27-08-2020, 17:59
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Re: Coronavirus
The late lockdown I think it less of an issue because it's a hard judgement call and you don't have much time. A few days can make a massive difference and you can see anyone making that mistake. No one was quite sure on the best approach right at the start of this.
Stuff like the exams and the app is foreseeable and they had more time to foresee it. Likewise there were a number of calls for the Government to obtain PPE and they should have handled that better.
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27-08-2020, 18:14
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Russ
Developed a tickly cough over the past 24 hours, no other symptoms but as my OH suffers with asthma I’ve booked in a drive-in test at 2pm today, results by text hopefully within 24/48 hours...
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Just had the result - negative
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27-08-2020, 18:24
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Russ
Just had the result - negative
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Excellent news.
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27-08-2020, 19:05
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Damien
The late lockdown I think it less of an issue because it's a hard judgement call and you don't have much time. A few days can make a massive difference and you can see anyone making that mistake. No one was quite sure on the best approach right at the start of this.
Stuff like the exams and the app is foreseeable and they had more time to foresee it. Likewise there were a number of calls for the Government to obtain PPE and they should have handled that better.
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How do you handle a world shortage of PPE better?
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