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Old 06-10-2016, 17:58   #1891
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.

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Merely proving you to be the liar when it suits you.
By fault or design you've twisted or misunderstood what I meant. You should be able to post without being rude.

To save you derailing a third thread regarding this, a thread about this exists:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...2#post35862202

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Labour were...
Sort of true, the Blair Government changed the original tests started by the Thatcher Government in 1993 when she phased out Invalidity Benefit in favour of Incapacity Benefit.

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This isnt a tory vs labour discussion whuch you seem to be trying to turn it into.

A ruling party can change things as we are seeing now.

Also PIP was introduced by IDS, cameron and osborne. ESA was adjusted by the three also, e.g. they introduced stricter systems for those in the WAG group such as making it mandatory to go on the work programme. On the flip side tho more people were qualifying for the SG after the tories came into power. They also toughened up the WCA test which was particularly hard on those with mobility issues. PIP mobility tests have had the same treatment on mobility as well.
Totally correct.

As IDS said last Sunday, the system simply cannot cope with the constant testing and retesting of huge groups of people. Welfare Rights groups have evidence to suggest that at some points, people were being shoved into the Support Group due to time restraints and a lack of resources.

The reasoning given was that any not supposed to be in this group would be picked up on the next assessment when more time was available, but of course this never happens.

This defeats the purpose of these tests, which have caused many of our most vulnerable citizens unecessary worry and upset and, ironically, cost the taxpayer more than if they hadn't started doing this!

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Old 06-10-2016, 20:14   #1892
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By fault or design you've twisted or misunderstood what I meant. You should be able to post without being rude.
How's your search going for the proof of what you claimed I'd said then?

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I fear that Osem won't be happy, he supports the repeated testing of everybody, even those with severe, lifelong and incurable learning difficulties!
Since you reckon you're not a liar and keep telling other people not to be rude, I'll be expecting an apology before you go back on the ignore list where you belong.

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Old 06-10-2016, 20:30   #1893
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I wouldn't hold your breath
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Old 06-10-2016, 21:41   #1894
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By fault or design you've twisted or misunderstood what I meant. You should be able to post without being rude.

I twisted nothing, I just quoted you. So again you lie when it suits you. If you disagree with my assertion then feel free to visit your solicitors. I look forward to recieving your lawsuit for deformation of character.

To save you derailing a third thread regarding this, a thread about this exists:

Please point me to the other 2 threads where I've called you a liar.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...2#post35862202
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Old 07-10-2016, 09:25   #1895
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.

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Sort of true, the Blair Government changed the original tests started by the Thatcher Government in 1993 when she phased out Invalidity Benefit in favour of Incapacity Benefit
Poor old Maggie blamed again.

I think you mean Major Government.
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Old 07-10-2016, 16:06   #1896
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Poor old Maggie blamed again.

I think you mean Major Government.
You are correct, although these changes were formulated by the Thatcher administration, it was enacted by the Major Government as he was PM by then.

The other change was support for the most severely disabled. I was very surprised when support was increased for younger people (in the process of being scrapped by the PIP legislation introduced by the Cameron Government) at the expense of reduced support for those over pension age.

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How's your search going for the proof of what you claimed I'd said then?

Since you reckon you're not a liar and keep telling other people not to be rude, I'll be expecting an apology before you go back on the ignore list where you belong.
Stop pretending i've been or am on ignore and making a fool of yourself. You won't be receiving an apology.

The details will be provided at my convenience, not yours.

What on Earth are you talking about now Pip? Whatever it is, it's got nothing to do with the topic (as usual).

It's interesting to note that you have derailed two threads about an off topic subject, but not contributed to a thread partially created to negate the need for this.

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I wouldn't hold your breath
It's becoming clearer and clearer as to why you've been labelled as a stirrer in the past.

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Old 07-10-2016, 17:19   #1897
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I think you need to concentrate your efforts on that "evidence" Richard
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Old 07-10-2016, 17:19   #1898
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What on Earth are you talking about now Pip? Whatever it is, it's got nothing to do with the topic (as usual).



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It's becoming clearer and clearer as to why you've been labelled as a stirrer in the past.

Link please.
I merely responded to your post.
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Old 07-10-2016, 17:57   #1899
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I merely responded to your post.
It doesn't make any sense and isn't pertinent to the topic under discussion though.

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I wouldn't hold your breath
You have form for failing to apologise when appropriate.

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I think you need to concentrate your efforts on that "evidence" Richard
You also have form for stirring things up on the forum, as pointed out by others and myself.

Do you actually have anything relevant to contribute to this topic?
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Old 07-10-2016, 18:05   #1900
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It doesn't make any sense and isn't pertinent to the topic under discussion though.

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You have form for failing to apologise when appropriate.



You also have form for stirring things up on the forum, as pointed out by others and myself.

Do you actually have anything relevant to contribute to this topic?
You seem to be confusing stirring with catching out a liar

This situation is your own making, stop deflecting and start addressing or own up. No one is else is creating this hole here apart from you

As for your topics a lot of them are based on hot air, nazi stances, nonsense and barmy old guff so I'm afraid not

PS love the way I get quoted once but commented twice
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Old 07-10-2016, 18:13   #1901
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You seem to be confusing stirring with catching out a liar

This situation is your own making, stop deflecting and start addressing or own up. No one is else is creating this hole here apart from you

As for your topics a lot of them are based on hot air, nazi stances, nonsense and barmy old guff so I'm afraid not

PS love the way I get quoted once but commented twice
I think we all know he's been rumbled yet again as the sad lying hypocrite he is so it's back to the ignore list. Pity it doesn't work on his quoted drivel but nothing's perfect eh? Next time he pops up claiming he doesn't lie and would never be rude we'll all know it's just more of the same old garbage.
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I think we all know he's been rumbled yet again as the sad lying hypocrite he is so it's back to the ignore list. Pity it doesn't work on his quoted drivel but nothing's perfect eh? Next time he pops up claiming he doesn't lie and would never be rude we'll all know it's just more of the same old garbage.
Believe it or not I've actually agreed with him in one of his recent posts.

Is that because I've made him stop, take a breath and read his reply before posting???

Only time will tell.
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Believe it or not I've actually agreed with him in one of his recent posts.

Is that because I've made him stop, take a breath and read his reply before posting???

Only time will tell.
Perhaps,

Or maybe his "research" on 10 minute teasers is having a more relaxing and calming influence than first thought
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You seem to be confusing stirring with catching out a liar

This situation is your own making, stop deflecting and start addressing or own up. No one is else is creating this hole here apart from you

As for your topics a lot of them are based on hot air, nazi stances, nonsense and barmy old guff so I'm afraid not

PS love the way I get quoted once but commented twice
I am not a liar, these comments were made by Osem.

You could always put me on ignore Instead of disrupting threads by harrassing me within the forum with off topic posts, but that would take the fun out of discriminating against vulnerable people for you wouldn't it.

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I think we all know he's been rumbled yet again as the sad lying hypocrite he is so it's back to the ignore list. Pity it doesn't work on his quoted drivel but nothing's perfect eh? Next time he pops up claiming he doesn't lie and would never be rude we'll all know it's just more of the same old garbage.
I never was and still aren't on ignore, you're sort are too frightened of missing something.

When you're proved to be a liar, it will be you that's expected to apologise.

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Believe it or not I've actually agreed with him in one of his recent posts.

Is that because I've made him stop, take a breath and read his reply before posting???

Only time will tell.
You really do have an inflated opinion of yourself, "he" never gave your existence a second thought.
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.

Grow up, all of you, I'm tired of the bickering.

If it continues I'll just suspend you all for a week, I dont care who you think is "at fault".
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