Coronavirus

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

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The number of hospitalisations is the figure to watch, and as long as these numbers don’t show signs of increasing exponentially, everything is under control.

Quite right. Why are some people arguing with that?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Quite right. Why are some people arguing with that?

Hospitilisations are key but there is obviously a link between infections and the subsequent number of hospitilisations and deaths. An increase in infections will lead to an increase in the latter two - although obviously much, much smaller. Infections are a bit of a canary in a cage.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hospitilisations are key but there is obviously a link between infections and the subsequent number of hospitilisations and deaths. An increase in infections will lead to an increase in the latter two - although obviously much, much smaller. Infections are a bit of a canary in a cage.

Infections are largely circulating amongst the young people, Andrew, whereas the bulk of hospital admissions are elderly or otherwise frail patients.

The infection rate is no longer as relevant as it was.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Infections are largely circulating amongst the young people, Andrew, whereas the bulk of hospital admissions are elderly or otherwise frail patients.

The infection rate is no longer as relevant as it was.

Absolutely, the more people who are vaccinated, the lower the link to hospitilisations and deaths as vaccinations focus on the most vulnerable first.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Infections are largely circulating amongst the young people, Andrew, whereas the bulk of hospital admissions are elderly or otherwise frail patients.

The infection rate is no longer as relevant as it was.

The (over) 200,000 people suffering from Long COVID whose

"ability to undertake their day-to-day activities had been “limited a lot”"

may disagree with you…

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...k/7october2021

Or

Health secretary Sajid Javid has expressed alarm at the rising numbers of people suffering long Covid symptoms, telling a private meeting of health officials that the problem was “huge” and “getting bigger”.

The meeting was given an update on long Covid treatment, with NHS England bosses revealing 10 per cent of all clinic appointments were being taken up by NHS staff in a sign of the potential longer term impact of coronavirus and the risk it could undermine already depleted staffing levels.

NHS staff are most likely to be affected by long Covid, followed by staff in social care and teachers. As many as 125,000 NHS staff may be affected by persistent symptoms.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-b1934861.html

Or

37% of people had at least one long-COVID symptom diagnosed in the 3-6 month period after COVID-19 infection. The most common symptoms were breathing problems, abdominal symptoms, fatigue, pain and anxiety/depression.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-09-29...-covid-symptom

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There are two Ebola vaccines that have been approved so far, and a couple more in development (so, good news…).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_vaccine

One of the interesting things about the covid vaccines and particularly the viral vector ones is that you could probably within reason put whatever RNA code you want in there. So that could in principle include a "signature" to allow recognition of a spike protein or similar antigen in an ebolavirus or even a cold, noro or HIV.



How effective it would be in reality, is why we have clinical trials.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Infections are largely circulating amongst the young people....

2 families on our road now have 3 generations in hospital with severe symptoms of the virus. The first to show a positive test were their kids attending the same school.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Taf

2 families on our road now have 3 generations in hospital with severe symptoms of the virus. The first to show a positive test were their kids attending the same school.

There will always be spillover and always some for whom the vaccine doesn't work.


It's quoted as 95% effective against hospitalisations but that still means for every 100 people who get it that 5 will end up in hospital, but that's no doubt much better than without it.


They shouldn't be closing schools and won't admit otherwise but kids are absolutely super spreaders of covid. You can see this in the figures. But if kids go home or to their grandparents and either they're not vaccinated or their immunity has waned then they will get it too and it will also easily spread between unvaccinated kids sat in a classroom all day.


No doubt this trend is likely to continue and spillover into older groups is being watched, until either enough kids have been vaccinated or had covid to slow it down.


The kids themselves will likely be fine if they get it though. And the effect of it spreading into other groups will be lessened by vaccines.

[Carth]

Long Covid . . the successor to 'Post-viral Fatigue', which has been around for years.

Covid 19 is obviously worse than a bad bout of the flu and has probably affected more people (the Flu figures have been lower) which gives a higher incident rate of Post-viral Fatigue, but it's nothing new.

https://theconversation.com/what-is-...rvivors-146851

Despite the word “fatigue”, the symptoms can be broader and more debilitating than simple tiredness. They can include a sore throat, aches and pains across the body, blood pressure changes, gastric upsets such as irritable bowel syndrome, headaches, sleep disturbance, depression, and dizziness. More severe neurological symptoms can also occur, including new sensitivities or allergic reactions, and burning or prickling sensations in the limbs. Many COVID-19 patients, for example, report a prolonged loss of smell and taste.

One of the earliest outbreaks recorded was in 1934 in California, where people infected with an unknown virus (thought to be polio) experienced “bursting headaches”, aching limbs and muscle weakness for a prolonged period. Other episodes were recorded in Iceland in 1948, and in Adelaide in 1949.

a UK study in August estimated 10% of those with COVID-19 go on to develop post-viral symptoms.

This is not necessarily surprising, given research on other similar viruses. One Canadian study found 21 health-care workers from Toronto had post-viral symptoms for up to three years after catching SARS in 2003, and were unable to return to their usual work.

A 2006 Australian study examined 253 people from Dubbo after they caught infections including glandular fever, Q fever, and Ross River virus. It found 11% of cases went on to develop chronic post-viral symptoms that lasted at least six months.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The (over) 200,000 people suffering from Long COVID whose may disagree with you…

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...k/7october2021

Or


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-b1934861.html

Or


https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-09-29...-covid-symptom

You are referring to a problem that is caused by contracting infection without the benefit of the vaccine. These people were, in the main, infected before the vaccine programme kicked in.

The number of people impacted should decrease as more get vaccinated. There are still too many refuseniks out there who seem to have a death wish. That’s on them.

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Originally Posted by Carth

Long Covid . . the successor to 'Post-viral Fatigue', which has been around for years.

Covid 19 is obviously worse than a bad bout of the flu and has probably affected more people (the Flu figures have been lower) which gives a higher incident rate of Post-viral Fatigue, but it's nothing new.

https://theconversation.com/what-is-...rvivors-146851

Long Covid is horrible and can ruin lives. Following through on the Covid jabs, however, should prevent this in the vast majority of cases.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hospitilisations are key but there is obviously a link between infections and the subsequent number of hospitilisations and deaths. An increase in infections will lead to an increase in the latter two - although obviously much, much smaller. Infections are a bit of a canary in a cage.

True. But explaining the chain doesn't alter the fact that the number of hospitalisations is the key metric. OB is right.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Infections are largely circulating amongst the young people, Andrew, whereas the bulk of hospital admissions are elderly or otherwise frail patients.

The infection rate is no longer as relevant as it was.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are referring to a problem that is caused by contracting infection without the benefit of the vaccine. These people were, in the main, infected before the vaccine programme kicked in.

The number of people impacted should decrease as more get vaccinated. There are still too many refuseniks out there who seem to have a death wish. That’s on them.

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Long Covid is horrible and can ruin lives. Following through on the Covid jabs, however, should prevent this in the vast majority of cases.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

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Yes, I didn’t think you’d have an answer!

Well that's hardly a surprise considering your post couldn't have misrepresented mine harder if it tried, still it was a valuable contribution well made

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

EBOLA virus hasn't died out and no cure has been found/developed.

Iirc Ebola isn't an airborne virus, thank goodness

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Well that's hardly a surprise considering your post couldn't have misrepresented mine harder if it tried, still it was a valuable contribution well made

I apologise if that was the case, but that post you quoted here was in answer to yours, which said ‘Whatever’!

Obviously that word means something different to you than it does to me!

The point I was alluding to which generated your response was simply to point out that the consequence of that many infections before the vaccines was completely different to the situation we now face.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The (over) 200,000 people suffering from Long COVID whose may disagree with you…

Why would they disagree that the infection rate is not the best metric on which to be making decisions about further measures.

Just because they've had COVID, doesn't make them illogical.