UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Referendum - Page 3

**Hugh** · 20-07-2020, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Carth

Was anyone on here influenced by any Russian interference - in anything requiring a vote?

be honest now

I certainly wasn't, I never gave it a second thought. In fact I voted the same way as I did back in '75 (Europe) . . . about the same time Putin was joining the KGB

In the last decade, I was influenced more by belonging to a 'club' that had a 'level playing field' similar to the back of a Bactrian camel

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Join the club!

The point of subtle influence is that it’s "subtle"...

Carth · 20-07-2020, 21:04

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Originally Posted by Hugh

The point of subtle influence is that it’s "subtle"...

aaah, the strange magnetic draw of all things sparkly and shiny, with no strings attached . . . much like TV adds then

pip08456 · 20-07-2020, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Hugh

The point of subtle influence is that it’s "subtle"...

You have evidence of Russian interference in the 1975 poll?

Mr K · 20-07-2020, 21:44

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Originally Posted by pip08456

You have evidence of Russian interference in the 1975 poll?

Do you?

1andrew1 · 20-07-2020, 22:08

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Originally Posted by pip08456

You have evidence of Russian interference in the 1975 poll?

This sounds like a question put to a captured James Bond in the baddies' lair!

**Hugh** · 20-07-2020, 22:33

1andrew1 · 21-07-2020, 08:53

Report out 10.30am today. Terrible for a democratic nation that it has been witheld for so long, even if it contains few bombshells.

**Mick** · 21-07-2020, 09:42

Well well well, sadly for the Remainers, this was thought to be the bombshell they hoped for some last, sad and despicable and desperate attempt to subvert democracy by using this Russia report to suggest meddling in the EU Referendum.

1andrew1 · 21-07-2020, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Mick

Well well well, sadly for the Remainers, this was thought to be the bombshell they hoped for some last, sad and despicable and desperate attempt to subvert democracy by using this Russia report to suggest meddling in the EU Referendum.

Struggling to follow your line of thought. Surely if the Russians did interfere in the Scottish and EU referendums and UK elections, it would be they who were subverting democracy?

nomadking · 21-07-2020, 10:07

What is this "interference" ever have amounted to? Just people expressing an opinion? Do no other countries ever "interfere" in the same way?

Then there is the rather insidious way the media "interferes". Even the inclusion of an extra word in a sentence can change the tone and impression of a story. Journalists can be rather selective on who and what they challenge about a story.

1andrew1 · 21-07-2020, 10:16

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Originally Posted by nomadking

What is this "interference" ever have amounted to? Just people expressing an opinion? Do no other countries ever "interfere" in the same way?

Then there is the rather insidious way the media "interferes". Even the inclusion of an extra word in a sentence can change the tone and impression of a story. Journalists can be rather selective on who and what they challenge about a story.

My understanding from the initial story that Mick posted was that some confidential British Government documents were illegally obtained by Russian interests and uploaded to the Redditt site, thereby placing them in the public domain. Journalists and opposition parties were then able to avail themselves of the information.
This is slightly different from your suggestion of posting an opinion.

Sephiroth · 21-07-2020, 10:20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

My understanding from the initial story that Mick posted was that some confidential British Government documents were illegally obtained by Russian interests and uploaded to the Redditt site, thereby placing them in the public domain. Journalists and opposition parties were then able to avail themselves of the information.
This is slightly different from your suggestion of posting an opinion.

I haven't the slightest doubt that Russia is a subversive organisation run along KGB lines.

nomadking · 21-07-2020, 10:38

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

My understanding from the initial story that Mick posted was that some confidential British Government documents were illegally obtained by Russian interests and uploaded to the Redditt site, thereby placing them in the public domain. Journalists and opposition parties were then able to avail themselves of the information.
This is slightly different from your suggestion of posting an opinion.

Documents are leaked all the time. Any misrepresentation of the contents was purely down to Labour and the media, which allowed them to get away with it. I remember an instance a long time go(pre 1997), where a civil service report on options on a subject was leaked. Labour and the media jumped on it, claiming it was Government plans, when at that point nobody in Government had seen it, and if they had, it was just options, not intentions. It turned out that one of the people involved in the report was somebody who was a Labour party candidate.

The central problem isn't so much leaking of documents, but the misrepresentation of the contents.

papa smurf · 21-07-2020, 10:40

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Documents are leaked all the time. Any misrepresentation of the contents was purely down to Labour and the media, which allowed them to get away with it. I remember an instance a long time go(pre 1997), where a civil service report on options on a subject was leaked. Labour and the media jumped on it, claiming it was Government plans, when at that point nobody in Government had seen it, and if they had, it was just options, not intentions. It turned out that one of the people involved in the report was somebody who was a Labour party candidate.

The central problem isn't so much leaking of documents, but the misrepresentation of the contents.

1andrew1 · 21-07-2020, 10:43

Report here. https://docs.google.com/a/independen...EyN2Y3NjM0OWFl

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Documents are leaked all the time. Any misrepresentation of the contents was purely down to Labour and the media, which allowed them to get away with it. I remember an instance a long time go(pre 1997), where a civil service report on options on a subject was leaked. Labour and the media jumped on it, claiming it was Government plans, when at that point nobody in Government had seen it, and if they had, it was just options, not intentions. It turned out that one of the people involved in the report was somebody who was a Labour party candidate.

The central problem isn't so much leaking of documents, but the misrepresentation of the contents.

I'm afraid that I think you're rather too forgiving of foreign powers.