Brexit (Old)

[denphone]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Well, she's currently speaking to Parliament and the main points announced at this moment in time are:

- The fee payable by EU citizens to stay in the UK is to be abolished.

- Workers rights will not be eroded.

- She will hold more talks with the DUP Re: The backstop.

- She will never reopen the Belfast agreement.

- She will be more flexible & inclusive.

Good as EU citizens that have contributed to the UK economy should have been exempted from any charge to start with.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

She has said nothing new that's of significant importance whatsoever.

She doesn't need to, she just needs to keep talking for another 2 months

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

She has said nothing new that's of significant importance whatsoever.

Nothing new to say that's why lol,We leave March 29th.

Just a matter of plodding along until then with all the bla bla bla bla and nice lunches and drinkies for the dudes doing the business side of things

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Originally Posted by Carth

She doesn't need to, she just needs to keep talking for another 2 months

LOL

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

She doesn't need to, she just needs to keep talking for another 2 months

Let's just try to have a brief moment of normality and clarity. No deal, quite simply, will not happen. She's playing poker against opponents who have shown themselves to be far more skilled and more determined than herself. She'll blink.

If she secures a deal, It will be a very soft brexit, in which case, whats the point ? Leavers won't be happy, remainers won't be happy

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Originally Posted by djfunkdup

Nothing new to say that's why lol,We leave March 29th.

Just a matter of plodding along until then with all the bla bla bla bla and nice lunches and drinkies for the dudes doing the business side of things

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LOL

Ok, let's play your game... What do you think will happen to the conservative party if we left the EU on a no deal basis?

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Originally Posted by denphone

Good as EU citizens that have contributed to the UK economy should have been exempted from any charge to start with.

Have they? I thought they just came over here took our jobs, caused increasing pressures onto the NHS. and were otherwise just generally up too nefarious activities.

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Let's just try to have a brief moment of normality and clarity. No deal, quite simply, will not happen. She's playing poker against opponents who have shown themselves to be far more skilled and more determined than herself. She'll blink.

If she secures a deal, It will be a very soft brexit, in which case, whats the point ? Leavers won't be happy, remainers won't be happy

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Ok, let's play your game... What do you think will happen to the conservative party if we left the EU on a no deal basis?

As long as the Jew hater is at the helm of Labour then the answer to your question is. 'Nothing' . He keeps Labour out the picture ,Simples.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Let's just try to have a brief moment of normality and clarity. No deal, quite simply, will not happen. She's playing poker against opponents who have shown themselves to be far more skilled and more determined than herself. She'll blink.

If she secures a deal, It will be a very soft brexit, in which case, whats the point ? Leavers won't be happy, remainers won't be happy

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Ok, let's play your game... What do you think will happen to the conservative party if we left the EU on a no deal basis?

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Have they? I thought they just came over here took our jobs, caused increasing pressures onto the NHS. and were otherwise just generally up too nefarious activities.

Some do (and also put pressure on housing, education etc), which is why the end of compulsory free movement is so important. There will be nothing to stop us accepting immigrants in the future if it can be demonstrated that this will be of some benefit to the UK.

[djfunkdup]

If you believe in conspiracies it could be argued that JC is actually a Torie that's been planted there to make sure they never become a threat.He did go to a private school after all and never came from a working class background

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Let's just try to have a brief moment of normality and clarity. No deal, quite simply, will not happen. She's playing poker against opponents who have shown themselves to be far more skilled and more determined than herself. She'll blink.

If she secures a deal, It will be a very soft brexit, in which case, whats the point ? Leavers won't be happy, remainers won't be happy

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Ok, let's play your game... What do you think will happen to the conservative party if we left the EU on a no deal basis?

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Have they? I thought they just came over here took our jobs, caused increasing pressures onto the NHS. and were otherwise just generally up too nefarious activities.

A bit of sulking on Saturday and Sunday then back to feathering their own self interest on monday , sourbelly says she would resign we'll have to keep our fingers crossed on that.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by djfunkdup

As long as the Jew hater is at the helm of Labour then the answer to your question is. 'Nothing' . He keeps Labour out the picture ,Simples.

Ok, let's play the scenario out further.

How long do you think Corbyn would remain as leader IF a no deal exit occurred?

Personally, I think he would be gone sharpish. Let's say Labour manage to bring David Milliband back in (or someone of his ilk)


The Tories would be out of power for the next > 20 years

All political parties primary concern is to be the governing party for as long as possible.

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Teresa May just confirms that even in the event of No Deal we would still have to legally pay monies to the EU.

Reese-Mogg probably now probably turned Crimson as his champagne is repeating on him

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

A bit of sulking on Saturday and Sunday then back to feathering their own self interest on monday , sourbelly says she would resign we'll have to keep our fingers crossed on that.

Very short term viewpoint but probably not wrong

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Some do (and also put pressure on housing, education etc), which is why the end of compulsory free movement is so important. There will be nothing to stop us accepting immigrants in the future if it can be demonstrated that this will be of some benefit to the UK.

If you would like to provide the NET figures to show that overall that EEA EEA : OMS EEA : NMS migration is of negative fiscal value.


Also, if you can provide the NET figures for Native and Non-EEA

I'll wait...

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ok, let's play the scenario out further.

How long do you think Corbyn would remain as leader IF a no deal exit occurred?

Personally, I think he would be gone sharpish. Let's say Labour manage to bring David Milliband back in (or someone of his ilk)


The Tories would be out of power for the next > 20 years

All political parties primary concern is to be the governing party for as long as possible.

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Teresa May just confirms that even in the event of No Deal we would still have to legally pay monies to the EU.

Reese-Mogg probably now probably turned Crimson as his champagne is repeating on him

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Very short term viewpoint but probably not wrong

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If you would like to provide the NET figures to show that overall that EEA EEA : OMS EEA : NMS migration is of negative fiscal value.


Also, if you can provide the NET figures for Native and Non-EEA

I'll wait...

This information has already been provided further back in the thread. The figures show that we generally make a profit out of having immigrants here, but if we limit ourselves to a better quality of them, this profit could be increased. I, however, don't accept these figures as they simply look at what they take out and what they put in.

The bigger picture is that even if they come here and work, pay taxes and don't claim any benefits, they could have taken a job that an existing person living here could have done. Eventually, if not immediately, this means that a person who would have found employment will remain on benefits. When this is taken into consideration, the so called profit is probably extinguished.

Other matters include the presence of immigrants lowering wages (they will often work for less because our minimum wage is a fortune to them). They also put pressure on doctors, schools etc. With regards to housing, their presence leads to market forces pushing up house prices and rent inflation and, consequently, homelessness and inadequate housing.

Limiting immigration to areas such as skill shortage areas, hard to fill posts etc with decent people who have demonstrated that they can conduct themselves in an acceptable manner will go a long way towards the resentment that more and more people are having towards immigrants to the UK. I am of the opinion that this is the reason most people voted to leave the EU (above sovereignty and everything else).Even the most did hard professional anti racists that I know broadly agree with this. One (a left wing old hippie) recently said to me that he didnt like the way that his community was being changed by the sheer number of newcomers.

An Asian taxi driver once said to me that "they' were sick of the poles coming in as they were stealing their fares and that there wouldn't be any jobs for Asian people before long". I just stayed silent and had a wry smile to myself.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This information has already been provided further back in the thread. The figures show that we generally make a profit out of having immigrants here, but if we limit ourselves to a better quality of them, this profit could be increased. I, however, don't accept these figures as they simply look at what they take out and what they put in.

The bigger picture is that even if they come here and work, pay taxes and don't claim any benefits, they could have taken a job that an existing person living here could have done. Eventually, if not immediately, this means that a person who would have found employment will remain on benefits. When this is taken into consideration, the so called profit is probably extinguished.

Other matters include the presence of immigrants lowering wages (they will often work for less because our minimum wage is a fortune to them). They also put pressure on doctors, schools etc. With regards to housing, their presence leads to market forces pushing up house prices and rent inflation and, consequently, homelessness and inadequate housing.

Limiting immigration to areas such as skill shortage areas, hard to fill posts etc with decent people who have demonstrated that they can conduct themselves in an acceptable manner will go a long way towards the resentment that more and more people are having towards immigrants to the UK. I am of the opinion that this is the reason most people voted to leave the EU (above sovereignty and everything else).Even the most did hard professional anti racists that I know broadly agree with this. One (a left wing old hippie) recently said to me that he didnt like the way that his community was being changed by the sheer number of newcomers.

An Asian taxi driver once said to me that "they' were sick of the poles coming in as they were stealing their fares and that there wouldn't be any jobs for Asian people before long". I just stayed silent and had a wry smile to myself.

Absolute twaddle

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Absolute twaddle

Nonsense.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Nonsense.

So glad you've come around

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So glad you've come around

You clearly aren't interested in having a serious adult debate about the subject as I initially believed, so let's leave it there as this is a non productive use of our time.

[jfman]

Ah back to the old xenophobia.