Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by nomadking

Any chaos is down to the remain side promoting fear and uncertainty, and continually insisting on blocking the result of a democratic vote. Just look at the time and effort put into trying to overturn the vote, rather than making Brexit a success.

Precisely - a lot of the Fake News Remainers in Government and civil service have caused this delay shambles - how can Brexiteers be responsible, when ALL we have wanted is to immediately leave the EU in it's entirety?

Had a true Brexiteer being steering the ship - they would have got on with leaving the corrupted, cancerous EU.

The Naivety now being shown by many of the Remainers, with calls for a second referendum AKA a "Losers vote", which it is exactly that, that they hope to win and us Brexiteers will just ride along with this bullshit should there be some chance they win, why should their win be implemented when ours was not - it will not fly and this country will be more divided than ever.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

Precisely - a lot of the Fake News Remainers in Government and civil service have caused this delay shambles - how can Brexiteers be responsible, when ALL we have wanted is to immediately leave the EU in it's entirety?

Had a true Brexiteer being steering the ship - they would have got on with leaving the corrupted, cancerous EU.

The Naivety now being shown by many of the Remainers, with calls for a second referendum AKA a "Losers vote", which it is exactly that, that they hope to win and us Brexiteers will just ride along with this bullshit should there be some chance they win, why should their win be implemented when ours was not - it will not fly and this country will be more divided than ever.

of course no brexiteer ever told lies right the hard brexiteers gonna look stupid later when May wins

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

of course no brexiteer ever told lies right the hard brexiteers gonna look stupid later when May wins

Well she has certainly looked clueless if her previous episodes are anything to go by as she stated there would be no general election countless times which of course there was then a election which mortally wounded her premiership so much so we have a minority government now.

She stated there would be a vote on Tuesday evening so she sent out her cabinet ministers on Tuesday morning and then two hours later called of the vote.

She said no deal is better then a bad deal and then stated her deal is the only deal on the table.

She then said this is the only deal on the table and then changes her mind and goes back to the EU to try to get concessions from them which to put it bluntly she has no chance of getting.

I don’t know what a hard Brexiteer is. I know what a Brexiteer is. Someone who voted to leave the EU. There is no other distinction.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Dave42

of course no brexiteer ever told lies right the hard brexiteers gonna look stupid later when May wins

Whatever way you look at it, the remain side are speculating about problems or are actually creating them in the first place, eg delaying tactics and promoting weakness in negotiating position.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Whatever way you look at it, the remain side are speculating about problems or are actually creating them in the first place, eg delaying tactics and promoting weakness in negotiating position.

Maybe it just is a weak negotiating position and Brexit is madness. It's supporters had no plan and have left Remainers to pick up the pieces. They've been rumbled. Blame anyone and everyone except themselves seems to be their only response.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Powerful words. Back me or it’s no deal vs no Brexit.

I'm all for that. That's the referendum I want to see.

[jonbxx]

Twitter has been great fun this morning. Michael Deacon of The Telegraph and Marina Hyde of The Guardian have been especially good value!

A tweet from The Secret Barrister made me laugh;

28 months ago, the Conservative Party elected Theresa May leader with 60% of the vote.

29 months ago, 51.9% of voters supported leaving the EU.

On one of these, it’s fine to ask if people have changed their minds. To do so on the other is apparently an affront to democracy.

The arguments in response to this tweet are amazing, some greats ones from all sides and some cracking fruitloopery - https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/...72452923686912

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm all for that. That's the referendum I want to see.

Suits me aswell, if people genuinely want to be poorer and the country in general chaos, then fair enough.

[denphone]

l thought this was a great tweet yesterday.

Most depressing aspect of Brexit is the confirmation that absolutely everyone suffers from the overconfidence bias of believing that they're right & clever about stuff and those who don't agree with you are wrong & stupid. It's intellectual and moral otherization and it's obscene

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Maybe it just is a weak negotiating position and Brexit is madness. It's supporters had no plan and have left Remainers to pick up the pieces. They've been rumbled. Blame anyone and everyone except themselves seems to be their only response.

How can you have a fully detailed plan when you supposedly can't predict how the EU would respond? Especially when those in charge of creating and implementing any plan seem to be firmly in the remain camp. Trade agreements are not meant to be about strength and weakness and imposing your will. The Eu seems to forget that and are just being vindictive. What is wrong with agreements that are to a mutual benefit.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

How can you have a fully detailed plan when you supposedly can't predict how the EU would respond? Especially when those in charge of creating and implementing any plan seem to be firmly in the remain camp. Trade agreements are not meant to be about strength and weakness and imposing your will. The Eu seems to forget that and are just being vindictive. What is wrong with agreements that are to a mutual benefit.

Like membership of the EU? Plenty of mutual benefit there.

What we can’t actualll quantify is what we have to offer the EU at all? Our finance and service sectors are more likely to give themselves a European presence (because of the size of the market) than export their services into the EU.

<snigger>

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

Like membership of the EU? Plenty of mutual benefit there.

What we can’t actualll quantify is what we have to offer the EU at all? Our finance and service sectors are more likely to give themselves a European presence (because of the size of the market) than export their services into the EU.

The EEC might have been a mutual benefit, but the EU along with the expansion to the East isn't.

[jfman]

Stability on our eastern frontier as Russia tries to extend its sphere of influence?