UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm used to doing deals both in a big business and as a smaller or junior one. As a larger business, you can get a great deal and compel the other party to accept your TsandCs. As a smaller party, you're a bit of a deal-taker. I don't apply emotive language to describe the balance of power, I just get on and strike the best deal I can being aware of deadlines for sales reps' targets, competitors' offerings and taking my time to get the best possible deal so I never get bounced into a bad deal.

Exactly, and the UK is not going to be bounced into accepting a bad deal either.

Without a 'no tariffs' deal, there will be major economic disadvantages for certain EU industries such as car manufacturing because tariffs will put up the price of exported goods to this country, rendering them less competitive. The EU does not hold all the cards, not by a long chalk.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There is so much latitude on "swearing" that it is difficult to know when the words will be deleted. In this case, plenty of synonyms are allowed and I wouldn't intentionally wish to invoke the filter.

The asterisks in place of the offending word shows the filter has been applied - you can go back into your post to remove those words, or replace with words that do not activate the "swear filter".

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Exactly, and the UK is not going to be bounced into accepting a bad deal either.

Without a 'no tariffs' deal, there will be major economic disadvantages for certain EU industries such as car manufacturing because tariffs will put up the price of exported goods to this country, rendering them less competitive. The EU does not hold all the cards, not by a long chalk.

Ah it’s been a while since we had the German car manufacturers line.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Exactly, and the UK is not going to be bounced into accepting a bad deal either.

Without a 'no tariffs' deal, there will be major economic disadvantages for certain EU industries such as car manufacturing because tariffs will put up the price of exported goods to this country, rendering them less competitive. The EU does not hold all the cards, not by a long chalk.

Worse-case scenario, the EU can carry on trading with its 500m-person market and the millions more via the largest number free trade deals with most of the developed world.
We can continue with our market of 65m people and wonder why other countries are more prosperous than us.

[ianch99]

It really is pathetic to see, as the forecast negative consequences of Brexit start to materialise, we have the die-hards bleating about being "bullied". It is as if they are in the playground again and they are running to teacher complaining "Miss, Miss, the big boys are bullying me again".

Of course, that is the only recourse they have left and that is to try and save face. Pretend that they are a victim when, ironically, all the things they are complaining about are on them. They just need to man up and own them.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It really is pathetic to see, as the forecast negative consequences of Brexit start to materialise, we have the die-hards bleating about being "bullied". It is as if they are in the playground again and they are running to teacher complaining "Miss, Miss, the big boys are bullying me again".

Of course, that is the only recourse they have left and that is to try and save face. Pretend that they are a victim when, ironically, all the things they are complaining about are on them. They just need to man up and own them.

... and then what?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

... and then what?

Invest more energy in solving it and less in looking for excuses and scapegoats.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Invest more energy in solving it and less in looking for excuses and scapegoats.

Unfortunately that is not a helpful reply. Most of us who reply in my vein are explaining why little progress is being made at the current negotiating stage. We go on to say that the EU's position is unacceptable because (inter alia) it keeps us under the ECJ in key areas.

On the other hand, you and your less reasonable cohorts avoid committing yourselves to protection of our sovereignty. If I ask people like you whether you are content to remain under the ECJ after January 2021, the sort of answer that is returned is 'we were warned what would happen before we were committed to leaving the EU' or words to that effect.

Why can't you answer the direct question about sovereignty and whether we should keep surrendering it to the EU? We won't have to surrender sovereignty to Japan.

Comon - you surely can do better than you are doing.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Ah it’s been a while since we had the German car manufacturers line.

Don’t forget wine, champagne and blessed are the cheesemakers.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Don’t forget wine, champagne and blessed are the cheesemakers.

Also not forgetting sour cucumbers and Polish mustard.

If they ris by tuppence in price so that we don't come under ECJ jurisdiction, it'll be worth it. Any much more, then sod 'em - I'll sour my own cucumbers.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Invest more energy in solving it and less in looking for excuses and scapegoats.

Thank you Andrew. Your answer is succinct and to the point. Sort of obvious really.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Exactly, and the UK is not going to be bounced into accepting a bad deal either.

Without a 'no tariffs' deal, there will be major economic disadvantages for certain EU industries such as car manufacturing because tariffs will put up the price of exported goods to this country, rendering them less competitive. The EU does not hold all the cards, not by a long chalk.

didn't you like rest of the leavers say the lie that uk hold all the cards OB

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Thank you Andrew. Your answer is succinct and to the point. Sort of obvious really.

Sephiroth: Unfortunately that is not a helpful reply. Most of us who reply in my vein are explaining why little progress is being made at the current negotiating stage. We go on to say that the EU's position is unacceptable because (inter alia) it keeps us under the ECJ in key areas.

On the other hand, you and your less reasonable cohorts avoid committing yourselves to protection of our sovereignty. If I ask people like you whether you are content to remain under the ECJ after January 2021, the sort of answer that is returned is 'we were warned what would happen before we were committed to leaving the EU' or words to that effect.

Andrew's answer is far from to the point. It is nothing but rhetoric.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

didn't you like rest of the leavers say the lie that uk hold all the cards OB

Never me, Squire.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Andrew's answer is far from to the point. It is nothing but rhetoric.

Amusing from someone who, in the last few pages of this thread, posted the phrases "bullying", "you come across as a justifier/apologist for the EU", "bossing us around", "astounded that someone should be so apologetic", "cake and eat it", "willy-waving’, etc...

Reflection doesn’t always have to involve a mirror, you know...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Amusing from someone who, in the last few pages of this thread, posted the phrases "bullying", "you come across as a justifier/apologist for the EU", "bossing us around", "astounded that someone should be so apologetic", "cake and eat it", "willy-waving’, etc...

Reflection doesn’t always have to involve a mirror, you know...

What on earth are you on about? My points are very clear.
e.g: Don't give in to EU bullying. (Aka Don't accede to the EU's red lines). Vert clear.

The Remainers don't say "Do give in to EU bullying". They don't say "Do accept the EU's red lines". They don't say anything that points to a direction they think we should be taking.

"Invest more energy in solving it ..." means nothing. It's rhetoric. Useless.