Home News Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | Will Scotland Leave the UK?

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs

Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 19-03-2017, 23:39   #2746
Mr K
Woke and proud !
 
Mr K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Services: TV, Phone, BB, a wife
Posts: 9,106
Mr K has a nice shiny star
Mr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny starMr K has a nice shiny star
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M View Post
Democracy doesnt meen you just keep having votes.
Err yes it does, we have elections every year General, local etc. Just in case we change our minds or make an irretrievable decision...

Since the last Scottish independence vote things have changed significantly. There's the Brexit vote which doesn't reflect Scotland's views and a general election where the SNP had a landslide.

Personally I think Brexit is a disaster and Scotland leaving the UK would be a disaster. However preventing or delaying a democratic vote is not the way to go.
Mr K is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Old 20-03-2017, 00:09   #2747
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 36,870
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Scotland did not have a block vote in the EU referendum. Each of us had an individual vote on the UK's membership of the EU, same as everyone else. More than a million of us contributed to the total of more than 17 million votes for leave. Around 2 in 5 people who voted in Scotland, voted for leave. And we are rather fed up of Sturgeon trying to erase our voice from the record with her Scotland Voted Remain guff.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 00:24   #2748
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,187
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
Scotland did not have a block vote in the EU referendum. Each of us had an individual vote on the UK's membership of the EU, same as everyone else. More than a million of us contributed to the total of more than 17 million votes for leave. Around 2 in 5 people who voted in Scotland, voted for leave. And we are rather fed up of Sturgeon trying to erase our voice from the record with her Scotland Voted Remain guff.
That's pretty how much half the UK could potentially feel if you substitute Sturgeon for May and Remain with leave.
But it doesn't. It's democracy and we have to embrace it even if it doesn't give the results we feel the country deserves.
1andrew1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 00:31   #2749
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 36,870
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

May's position at least has the merit of being accurate. The result of the referendum was that, by majority, the U.K. voted to leave the EU.

Sturgeon's misrepresentation of the truth is that, first, Scotland didn't vote to leave (whereas Scotland wasn't even on the ballot paper - even in Scotland, we were asked whether the UK should leave, not whether Scotland should leave) and, second, there being a majority for remain within Scotland, she seeks to portray it as a block vote - which,of course, it wasn't; my vote, and more than a million others, contributed to the only total that matters, which is the one for the whole UK.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 00:38   #2750
Gavin78
Ice Cold
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Leeds, Seacroft
Age: 46
Services: XL TV M Phone 200MB BB
Posts: 1,552
Gavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these parts
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
That's pretty how much half the UK could potentially feel if you substitute Sturgeon for May and Remain with leave.
But it doesn't. It's democracy and we have to embrace it even if it doesn't give the results we feel the country deserves.

Scotland voted along with wales and ireland as part of the UK it doesn't matter if a majority of Scotland voted to remain because they are part of the UK and majority of the UK decided to leave so they have to stand by that decision.

You can't just say well we didn't like that option so we want to leave the UK. Fish Face is the one with the problem she's racist to the English. I personally think May should refuse a vote it's already been done and she has to accept that.
Gavin78 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 00:51   #2751
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,187
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
May's position at least has the merit of being accurate. The result of the referendum was that, by majority, the U.K. voted to leave the EU.

Sturgeon's misrepresentation of the truth is that, first, Scotland didn't vote to leave (whereas Scotland wasn't even on the ballot paper - even in Scotland, we were asked whether the UK should leave, not whether Scotland should leave) and, second, there being a majority for remain within Scotland, she seeks to portray it as a block vote - which,of course, it wasn't; my vote, and more than a million others, contributed to the only total that matters, which is the one for the whole UK.
Scotland has a considerable degree of autonomy from England. Nicola Sturgeon warned that if Scotland voted to remain in the EU and the UK left the EU then this would trigger a referendum. She cut the data that way, whether we like it or not.
1andrew1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 01:26   #2752
RizzyKing
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

The majority of scottish people do not want another independence referendum so they are to be ignored to pander to the snp hell lets make an independence vote an annual thing because circumstances constantly change. During the last one the snp agreed with everyone else it was a once in a generation vote and they seem to have forgotten that now. Perhaps what they should have said is " this is a once in a generation vote because we expect to win and will not allow another vote for a longtime unless we lose this vote then we will call for another vote every chance we get".
  Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 01:41   #2753
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,187
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing View Post
The majority of scottish people do not want another independence referendum so they are to be ignored to pander to the snp hell lets make an independence vote an annual thing because circumstances constantly change. During the last one the snp agreed with everyone else it was a once in a generation vote and they seem to have forgotten that now. Perhaps what they should have said is " this is a once in a generation vote because we expect to win and will not allow another vote for a longtime unless we lose this vote then we will call for another vote every chance we get".
A vote for Brexit was always going to change this. Hopefully, Scotland will vote to remain part of the UK but it's up to that country to decide.
1andrew1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 01:53   #2754
RizzyKing
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

A vote on EU membership existed as a likelihood in 2014 not as though it came out of nowhere in 2015 and you didn't respond to the fact that it isn't the scottish people who want another vote it's just the snp, personally i think the wishes of the scottish people are more important then the selfish want of one political party.
  Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 02:12   #2755
Gavin78
Ice Cold
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Leeds, Seacroft
Age: 46
Services: XL TV M Phone 200MB BB
Posts: 1,552
Gavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these partsGavin78 is just so famous around these parts
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

It's like the losing side of a football game that says we want to keep playing till we win.
Gavin78 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 09:38   #2756
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 36,870
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
Scotland has a considerable degree of autonomy from England. Nicola Sturgeon warned that if Scotland voted to remain in the EU and the UK left the EU then this would trigger a referendum. She cut the data that way, whether we like it or not.
She also said the referendum was a once in a lifetime event, at the same time as David Cameron promised an EU referendum if he won the 2015 general election.

Please don't be taken in by SNP spin. Nothing has occurred since the 2014 referendum that Scottish voters were unaware of. Brexit is a handy pretext. If it had not been that, it would have been something else.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 09:54   #2757
TheDaddy
cf.mega pornstar
 
TheDaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,782
TheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden aura
TheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
She also said the referendum was a once in a lifetime event, at the same time as David Cameron promised an EU referendum if he won the 2015 general election.

Please don't be taken in by SNP spin. Nothing has occurred since the 2014 referendum that Scottish voters were unaware of. Brexit is a handy pretext. If it had not been that, it would have been something else.
No truer words have been said on this forum
__________________
Sports Babble
TheDaddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 11:53   #2758
Mick
Cable Forum Team
 
Mick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,115
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
She also said the referendum was a once in a lifetime event, at the same time as David Cameron promised an EU referendum if he won the 2015 general election.

Please don't be taken in by SNP spin. Nothing has occurred since the 2014 referendum that Scottish voters were unaware of. Brexit is a handy pretext. If it had not been that, it would have been something else.
This is just it, Angus Robertson in the Commons, is screeching on about May's decision not to permit another indyref just yet as undemocratic, yet, we knew full well back in 2014, the SNP were never going to accept the democratic result of remain and they were just waiting in the wings and hoping for a Brexit.

I joined in on a Social Warrior discussion on facebook last night and some clown was arguing that the pound belongs to Scotland and it was Scotland who had invented the Pound so they have every right to keep it and UK would have to get their own currency .

History dictates otherwise of course and I enjoyed pointing this out to him, "The £, Pound Sterling, is the Worlds oldest Currency, going back over 1200 years, born about 775AD, when "sterlings" or silver pennies were the main currency in Anglo-Saxon kingdoms...

...Anglo-Saxon kingdoms of England during late antiquity and the early Middle Ages, conventionally identified as seven: East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Mercia, Northumbria, Sussex and Wessex. The first printed bank notes were created in 1853."
Mick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 12:10   #2759
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,206
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Scotland can keep the pound, pegged to our pound, but they can't force us into a Currency Union.
Damien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2017, 12:14   #2760
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 36,870
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

The lack of understanding of what the currency issue actually is, is shocking, even amongst Nats who presume to stand up and lecture the rest of us about it.

A currency is a means of evaluating and dividing up the total wealth of an economic area, and permitting trade within that area. One Pound Sterling has no intrinsic value. Its value is a reflection of the health of the economy within which it is the accepted currency.

A currency can only function properly if it is managed as part of the overall management of that economic area. That's why the US Dollar works and the Euro has been on the brink of collapse for the last 5 years. There is a single overarching financial authority in the US and there is a federal government which collects and redistributes the majority of tax income. That's the only reason Idaho can remain in currency union with California. The reverse - extremely limited central control and no means of wealth transfer via federal tax - is the reason Germany and Greece are straining at opposite ends of the Euro area.

Eventually, there will have to be a federal economic policy and fiscal transfers to keep the Euro working. Exactly the same level of integration would be required to keep a currency union between England and Scotland working. Of course, such a system already exists between England and Scotland; both Crowns and Parliaments were united, there is one government and wealth is transferred wherever it is needed.

---------- Post added at 11:14 ---------- Previous post was at 11:10 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien View Post
Scotland can keep the pound, pegged to our pound, but they can't force us into a Currency Union.
Yup. Scottish banks holding an equal value of Pound Sterling in order to guarantee the value of Pound Scots, which just about works until you start to wonder where the money is going to come from to finance mortgages, business loans and the rest.

All the wealth creation will be in England. All the banks would be English banks with offices in Scotland, regulated by English law and operating according to the interests of head offices in London. No money markets or indigenous financial services institutions in Edinburgh whatsoever. What a glorious state of affairs to aspire to.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:21.


Server: osmium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.