[update] Santa Fe school shooting: 10 dead and 10 wounded in Texas

[heero_yuy]

It's not really the weapon, it's the attitude behind it: That your life doesn't matter and I can kill you without any second thought.

You can ban weapons until the cows come home but without tackling the attitude they'll always find something else to wreak mass harm.

[OLD BOY]

It is surprising that schools in the US don't employ security guards at the gates to check that nobody gets in if they possess a weapon. Has nobody thought of that simple solution?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It is surprising that schools in the US don't employ security guards at the gates to check that nobody gets in if they possess a weapon. Has nobody thought of that simple solution?

They do, didn't the one at the Texas school run away when the shooting started

[Hom3r]

I just wish the BBC, ITV & Sky news would stop broadcasting these stories.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I just wish the BBC, ITV & Sky news would stop broadcasting these stories.

Well that is certainly not going to happen..

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It is surprising that schools in the US don't employ security guards at the gates to check that nobody gets in if they possess a weapon. Has nobody thought of that simple solution?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...?noredirect=on

Texas school had a shooting plan, armed officers and practice. And still 10 people died.

SANTA FE, TEX. — They, like so many others, thought they had taken the steps to avoid this.

The school district had an active-shooter plan, and two armed police officers walked the halls of the high school.

If he didn't have a gun he'd have found another way the problem isn't what is used the problem is what the hell is happening with the youth of America where this sort of thing is their answer to a problem. The culture of bullying and social hierarchy in the U.S has a the most to do with it I think it's a culture setup to exclude anyone that doesn't fit the acceptable social mould. Until America realises and admits it has a social problem nothing will change and putting all the blame onto firearms isn't the answer they have had millions of firearms owners in the U.S for over 100 hundred years it's only the last three decades where this has become a problem.

That said I do think at the very least before you can purchase a firearm you should have to prove you have secure storage for it and that's not a massive expectation to have.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They do, didn't the one at the Texas school run away when the shooting started

You can't just take these people off the street and expect them to do a good job. I think you need at least two fully trained guards and some support staff to stop and search at the entrance gates to schools. If the US wants an armed society, they should be prepared to stump up the cost of doing this if they want their kids to be safe.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

If he didn't have a gun he'd have found another way the problem isn't what is used the problem is what the hell is happening with the youth of America where this sort of thing is their answer to a problem. The culture of bullying and social hierarchy in the U.S has a the most to do with it I think it's a culture setup to exclude anyone that doesn't fit the acceptable social mould. Until America realises and admits it has a social problem nothing will change and putting all the blame onto firearms isn't the answer they have had millions of firearms owners in the U.S for over 100 hundred years it's only the last three decades where this has become a problem.

That said I do think at the very least before you can purchase a firearm you should have to prove you have secure storage for it and that's not a massive expectation to have.

Really, it's only been a problem in the last thirty years, was the wild west just a myth? Spree killing might have become a phenomenon since the early sixties but that is nearly half the hundred years you mention. I don't know what it'll take to cut these incidents down but it's looking to me like they're not inclined to even make a start on addressing the issues.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You can't just take these people off the street and expect them to do a good job. I think you need at least two fully trained guards and some support staff to stop and search at the entrance gates to schools. If the US wants an armed society, they should be prepared to stump up the cost of doing this if they want their kids to be safe.

That's what they do, to quote Hugh

Texas school had a shooting plan, armed officers and practice. And still 10 people died.

SANTA FE, TEX. — They, like so many others, thought they had taken the steps to avoid this.

The school district had an active-shooter plan, and two armed police officers walked the halls of the high school.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That's what they do, to quote Hugh

They need them at the entrance, to stop them getting in in the first place!

Wandering around the halls? It's like they are playing a game!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

They need them at the entrance, to stop them getting in in the first place!

Wandering around the halls? It's like they are playing a game!

Schools might have multiple entry points rather than being entirely closed off. Even so it says something about the situation if we make schools like airports with limited and controlled access points because the country doesn't want to get a grip on the larger problem.

These sprees are usually over quickly and a gun can kill a lot of people in that time. Having guns in the school might stop it being a drawn out situation, assuming the 'good people with guns' manage to respond and take them down which is itself not as simple as people make out.

If you have a single entry point, it creates crowds for a potential shooter to kill (more) people - it’s called a ‘choke point’, and if you were Military on patrol, you were trained to avoid these (don’t get grouped into a large bunch, making it a ‘target rich’ environment).

They don’t need to ban guns, just control them.

[tweetiepooh]

Schools should be schools. We are trying to make our children grow up too fast, often this is partly at fault of big companies who make more money out of teens and young adults than children.

Schools should be safe but they shouldn't look or feel like a military establishment.

As others have said it's not guns, knives or other weapons that are the problem. It's a societal one.

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

As others have said it's not guns, knives or other weapons that are the problem. It's a societal one.

Exactly. And just as we don’t let our kids near the knife block or the medicine cabinet, Americans shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near firearms until their society grows the freak up.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

Exactly. And just as we don’t let our kids near the knife block or the medicine cabinet, Americans shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near firearms until their society grows the freak up.

And yet, they do....