London's rising Murder Rate
03-04-2018, 17:31
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London's rising Murder Rate
https://news.sky.com/story/londons-y...-2018-11315362
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A rise in violent crime in London has sparked fears the capital's annual murder rate could overtake New York's.
Already, Sky News has identified 45 people who have been killed in a London borough since the start of the year.
The New York Police Department has started murder investigations into the deaths of 50 people in the same period.
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A 17 year old girl shot dead last night and a 16 year old boy also shot in the same night in London, is fighting for his life. What the hell is going on there?
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03-04-2018, 17:38
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
If this year's capital's murder rate continues at that present rate there could be more than 180 homicides in London for the first time since 2005.
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03-04-2018, 19:26
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
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Originally Posted by denphone
If this year's capital's murder rate continues at that present rate there could be more than 180 homicides in London for the first time since 2005.
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It's getting like New York used to be! Time we got a decent mayor to bring about change, as NY did.
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03-04-2018, 19:32
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
tbf, NY had over 2200 murders in 1990, so there’s quite a way to go to equal that (and I don’t think we will).
Whilst the number of murders in London is terrible, it’s important to focus on medium term trends, rather than a couple of recent data points - There were 116 murders in London in 2017, fewer than half New York’s annual total of 290, and in the two previous years, London’s murder rate was around a third of New York’s.
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03-04-2018, 19:42
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
It's getting like New York used to be! Time we got a decent mayor to bring about change, as NY did.
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There are many differing factors as to the capitals rising murder rate OB other to what political colour the mayor is.
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03-04-2018, 23:05
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Yet another stabbing in London
Although, there is no web page for this. Being that l live in London. Again we have MORE stabbings.
London is nearly taking over from New York as the town with the most stabbings.
And now we read in the news of not one, BUT three stabbings today in London.
TWO in Tottenham area. And ONE in Southall.
What the hell is wrong in this country, is it lack of policing, parents WHAT l ask. Is it gang culture gone wrong.
It makes me sick to the stomach for this loss of life. Is it being big to carry a knife.
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03-04-2018, 23:09
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Re: Yet another stabbing in London
It's terrible and we all need to stop it. No easy answers and everyone is to blame - the parents, the Conservatives for Council cutbacks (40% funding cutbacks since 20101) and Labour for reducing stop and search, and doubtless others.
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03-04-2018, 23:53
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
It's getting like New York used to be! Time we got a decent mayor to bring about change, as NY did.
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It's certainly not like New York used to be, let's resist the popularist impulse to talk our great capital city down.
But interesting to see Sadiq Kahn's change of heart towards stop and search earlier this year.
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Sadiq Khan to 'significantly increase' stop and search in London
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8152371.html
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04-04-2018, 04:35
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Re: Yet another stabbing in London
Indeed there are many reasons as to why murder and crime rates go up Andrew as its not as simple as A, B and C that is for sure.
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04-04-2018, 05:06
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Re: Yet another stabbing in London
Perhaps if police officers were not saddled with so much political correctness rubbish they could get back to the fundamentals of policing but as long as they are used as more of a speech police i won't hold my breath. Don't investigate burglary anymore as they don't have the resources but say something online someone doesn't like and suddenly there are resources for hate crime\speech units complete joke and a big reason why the public are losing faith in the police and justice system overall.
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04-04-2018, 08:46
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
I did read the other day that for the month of March London's murder rate was actually higher than New York City!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936
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A spike in violent crime in London saw more murders committed in the city in February and March than there were in New York, figures show.
So far in 2018, the Met Police has investigated 46 murders, compared with 50 in the US city.
But, while New York's murder rate decreased from the end of January, London's rose markedly from that point.
Ex-Met Police Ch Supt Leroy Logan says it is proof that "London's violent traits have become a virus".
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04-04-2018, 09:17
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
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Quote from comment piece by Bill Bratton:
Crack down on petty crime and you’ll cut London’s murder rate — it’s what I did in NY and LA
Former US police commissioner Bill Bratton’s zero tolerance approach for low-level ‘disorder’ including graffiti, prostitution and fare-dodging in 1990s New York led to serious crime numbers plunging
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Click the red link for full piece.
The PC nonsense has got to stop.
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04-04-2018, 11:51
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
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The PC nonsense has got to stop.
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The 'Broken Windows' theory has become less respected as time went on. Around the same time New York adopted it we also saw a decline in violent crime across the Western World and an increase in economic prosperity.
It's also worth remembering that generally New York has shown a higher murder rate than London so I am not quite sure why we should be taking lessons from them based on a couple of months of data showing otherwise....
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04-04-2018, 15:27
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
Random stop & searches? . . . oh, tried that already 
Tougher sentences? . . . nope, prisons are full
Bring back the Death penalty? . . . best of luck with that
err . . erm . . lets ask the US how they . . oh wait
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04-04-2018, 16:10
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Re: London's rising Murder Rate
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Originally Posted by Carth
Random stop & searches? . . . oh, tried that already
Tougher sentences? . . . nope, prisons are full
Bring back the Death penalty? . . . best of luck with that
err . . erm . . lets ask the US how they . . oh wait |
You could also say all that about every crime.
Main step is to make prisons hellish to be in.
Start locking up the girls that associate with the gangs. That would making being in a gang a lot less appealing for the guys.
New York doesn't even make it into the top 30 for murder rates in the US.
We are not allowed to address the real problem, here and in the US. There is a common factor between the areas with high murder rates.
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