U.S President: Donald Trump

Originally Posted by passingbat

You don't declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel and promise support for Israel if you're anti-Semitic. It's the world that is gradually adopting anti-Semitic views.

You appear to be conflating Anti-Israel Government actions with Anti-Semitic - two different things.

I can disagree with a Government’s actions (USA, GB) without being against the people of those countries.

This conflation is often used by those who are trying to muddy waters and wrongly accuse people of anti-Semitism, to drown out those who believe some of the actions of the Israel Government are wrong (an extra 1000 settlements, treatment of Palestinian children, etc.).

Anyhoo, different topic from this thread...

I've seen a good suggestion. If Obama is in the UK for the wedding anyway why doesn't he open the embassy? Maybe a joint-appearance with President Bush?

As usual people wind their necks up and defend precious Obama, the crap president, who didn’t act when his red line was crossed over Syria and allowed Crimea to be Anexxed by Russia. Not to mention his Administration now being said to have illegally spied on people.

He his allowed to say Libya is a ‘shit show’ to another world leader. There is conveniently no problem here. Hypocrites is all I can say here.

The wedding guests list has not even been sorted. All that was said is that Harry wants a low key wedding, no State wedding.

The Obamas should NOT be welcome, inviting a former President over the current one is a major diplomatic snub. We have rolled out the red carpet for far worse leaders with poor Human Rights records.

At the end of the day, liberal people and the left need to stop being overly sensitive and petty and precious. Those countries ARE shitholes because the governments that probably run them are corrupt to high hell and we suddenly care their feelings have been hurt, Give me a break!

Originally Posted by Mick

As usual people wind their necks up and defend precious Obama, the crap president, who didn’t act when his red line was crossed over Syria and allowed Crimea to be Anexxed by Russia..

For which he applied crippling sanctions that Trump wanted to remove. Given you were complaining Clinton's hardline on Russia would lead to WW3 I say again I don't think that is legitimate issue you have.

The wedding guests list has not even been sorted. All that was said is that Harry wants a low key wedding, no State wedding.

Obama would be there as a private citizen if he is invited because of Harry's, Michelle Obama's and President Obama's work on the Invictus games for injured veterans.

The Obamas should NOT be welcome, inviting a former President over the current one is a major diplomatic snub. We have rolled out the red carpet for far worse leaders with poor Human Rights records.

Trump was invited to London. He's rejected it.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You appear to be conflating Anti-Israel Government actions with Anti-Semitic - two different things.

I can disagree with a Government’s actions (USA, GB) without being against the people of those countries.

This conflation is often used by those who are trying to muddy waters and wrongly accuse people of anti-Semitism, to drown out those who believe some of the actions of the Israel Government are wrong (an extra 1000 settlements, treatment of Palestinian children, etc.).

Anyhoo, different topic from this thread...

I'm not conflating anything. Trough Abraham, God promised the Jewish people the land of israel. The Jewish Temple was destroyed in 70AD and the Jewsish people were then dispersed across the world.


Biblical prophecy said that at some stage, the Jewish people would return to the land of Israel, That happened in 1948, confirming Biblical prophecy. They have been under attack ever since. They are the Jewish people I am talking about. Anti-Jewish sentiment wil continue to grow because that is what Armageddon is all about; prety much all the World attacking Israel. The world looses BTW.

Originally Posted by Mick

As usual people wind their necks up and defend precious Obama, the crap president, who didn’t act when his red line was crossed over Syria and allowed Crimea to be Anexxed by Russia. Not to mention his Administration now being said to have illegally spied on people.

He his allowed to say Libya is a ‘shit show’ to another world leader. There is conveniently no problem here. Hypocrites is all I can say here.

The wedding guests list has not even been sorted. All that was said is that Harry wants a low key wedding, no State wedding.

The Obamas should NOT be welcome, inviting a former President over the current one is a major diplomatic snub. We have rolled out the red carpet for far worse leaders with poor Human Rights records.

At the end of the day, liberal people and the left need to stop being overly sensitive and petty and precious. Those countries ARE shitholes because the governments that probably run them are corrupt to high hell and we suddenly care their feelings have been hurt, Give me a break!

Why shouldn't Harry invite Obama, apparently they are friends.

The Prince and former US president are firm friends, appearing in public together several times over the years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...nvictus-games/

Originally Posted by passingbat

Anti-Jewish sentiment wil continue to grow because that is what Armageddon is all about; prety much all the World attacking Israel. The word looses BTW.

It's hard for anti-semitism to 'continue to grow' from where it was for the first half of last century. Anti-semitism is still rife but I would guess it's declined from the 1900-1930s where it was publicly acceptable to be anti-Jewish in Western, Christian, nations.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

They are not the same thing at all.

A former president was having a go at Cameron after letting Libya get in a mess following intervention.

Trump was asking why immigrant from shithole countries are being allowed to the USA. That is totally out of order.

Totally different things, agreed. That's no justification fro Trump's remarks.

Originally Posted by Stuart

Mick is just following the Trump playbook. If you have no answer to something, just blame the democrats.

I think you will find, in fact I know so, you are the one who has no answer

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Originally Posted by Damien

For which he applied crippling sanctions that Trump wanted to remove. Given you were complaining Clinton's hardline on Russia would lead to WW3 I say again I don't think that is legitimate issue you have.



Obama would be there as a private citizen if he is invited because of Harry's, Michelle Obama's and President Obama's work on the Invictus games for injured veterans.



Trump was invited to London. He's rejected it.

So he should. Being met by pettiness beyond belief here.

Btw, Obama is a private citizen who is still a former President, it is a diplomatic snub no matter how much you try sugar coat it.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Mick

I think you will find, in fact I know so, you are the one who has no answer

Yet you bought up an irrelevancy. Obama is no longer in power. Whether what he did is right or wrong (and I do believe it's wrong), it is irrelevant. Just because someone else did it does not make it right. This is the Trump playbook. When criticised, bring up something the Democrats did.

Originally Posted by Mick

So he should. Being met by pettiness beyond belief here.

Is he going to cancel every foreign visit where the people will be mean? Didn't stop President Bush from coming to the UK. He is the President after all.

We're our own country and we have the right not to bend over backwards to avoid upsetting Trump because he is so sensitive to criticism. Maybe he shouldn't have run for President if he can't handle it.

Originally Posted by Damien

Is he going to cancel every foreign visit where the people will be mean? Didn't stop President Bush from coming to the UK. He is the President after all.

We're our own country and we have the right not to bend over backwards to avoid upsetting Trump because he is so sensitive to criticism. Maybe he shouldn't have run for President if he can't handle it.

He should come regardless of the Protests. But he probably thinks London is a shithole, some of it certainly is thanks to the current crap London Mayor. With parts of London being a crime ridden mess. Can always rely on a Labour Mayor messing things up, when they get their hands on things.

Either way, he has the liberal one sided press in America with a constant daily stream of petty liberal one sided biased news, who frequently have to correct their stories. I don’t think he cares about other countries at all. Like he campaigned on, he only cares about America. ‘America First’. Policies.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's hard for anti-semitism to 'continue to grow' from where it was for the first half of last century. Anti-semitism is still rife but I would guess it's declined from the 1900-1930s where it was publicly acceptable to be anti-Jewish in Western, Christian, nations.

I truly wish what you said is true but it appears not to be.


In the WW2 Holocaust, a third of Jewish people died. At Armageddon two thirds of Jewish people die:


Zechariah talking about the Jewish people in the end times:


Zechariah 13:8 International Standard Version (ISV)
8 It will come about in all of the land,”
declares the Lord,
“that two thirds of the people living there will die,
but a third will survive who live there.

Originally Posted by Mick

He should come regardless of the Protests. But he probably thinks London is a shithole, some of it certainly is thanks to the current crap London Mayor. With parts of London being a crime ridden mess. Can always rely on a Labour Mayor messing things up, when they get their hands on things.

Well if it's not the population being mean to him it's that London is a shithole! Next thing Brits will be banned from entering the states so dangerous are we.

Originally Posted by Stuart

Yet you bought up an irrelevancy. Obama is no longer in power. Whether what he did is right or wrong (and I do believe it's wrong), it is irrelevant. Just because someone else did it does not make it right. This is the Trump playbook. When criticised, bring up something the Democrats did.

I did no such thing. It is not irrelevant bringing up the records of past Presidents and comparing their time in office and people not getting hysterical over bad policy decisions, past presidents have made many, but I didn’t see the hysteria back then, like there is now.