Brexit discussion

There really is no point attempting to rationally discuss this with you MrK your in your own little world you were quite vocal about how dire things would happen if there was a leave vote and it would be almost immediate it didn't happen but rather then admit you got it wrong along with many politicians and experts you just say "brexit hasn't happened yet". I'm very aware of the state of things and certainly wouldn't choose you as a source for any information i needed as there are infinitely better resources for me you got it wrong it's that simple just give it up rather then desperate statements like "decades to come" which shows how badly your in denial.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

Are you being deliberately obtuse ?

I gave you perfect examples of corruption in the EU and I am sick of telling you I do not want to be part of a United States of Europe which is exactly what the EU wants to become, eventually.

Apologies, I think we have different definitions of corruption. I was thinking of dishonest behaviour, extortion or bribery, most often for personal gain. That was what I was struggling to find. I will read back through your examples, thank you.

On the who lied and when during the campaign, Full Fact and The UK In A Changing Europe (Funded by the Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC), and based at King’s College London) produced a nice booklet going through at least some of the claims made by both sides - http://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uplo...the-claims.pdf

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7905786.html

That's the democracy we keep banging on about and threatening to export to other countries, 26% think they were lied to

I wonder how many who voted remain think they were lied to?

Seeing as almost every "consequence" of leaving the EU has not come to pass.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I wonder how many who voted remain think they were lied to?

Seeing as almost every "consequence" of leaving the EU has not come to pass.

I certainly don't think I was lied to. Neither campaign seemed capable of putting out anything remotely comprehensible. Staying in was a simple choice as one new what that would be like. Leaving involved a leap in the dark.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

Staying in was a simple choice as one new what that would be like. Leaving involved a leap in the dark.

Remain was certainly NOT the status quo and thus was also a leap in the dark.

Meanwhile:

The BBC’s news coverage of the EU shows overwhelming bias against pro-Brexit opinions, a study has found.

The report, titled ‘Brussels Broadcasting Corporation?’, monitored thousands of hours of radio and TV shows dating back to 1999 including the flagship Radio 4 programme Today.

Of 4,275 guests on Today between 2005 and 2015 who talked about the EU, only 132 were Brexiteers.

Put another way, just 3.2% of Today interviewees were anti-EU, despite consistent public support for EU withdrawal throughout this time.

The report, published by think-tank Civitas in conjunction with the group News-watch, also found that Left-wing Brexiteers have been consistently excluded from BBC news programmes.

Using specialist media monitoring techniques, researchers analysed 274 hours of BBC coverage of EU issues broadcast between 2002 and 2017.

Source

Civitas report (pdf)

[denphone]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I wonder how many who voted remain think they were lied to?

Seeing as almost every "consequence" of leaving the EU has not come to pass.

l am of my own mind and could see through the reprehensible and discreditable lies and deceit that came from both sides of the fence.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Remain was certainly NOT the status quo and thus was also a leap in the dark.

Meanwhile:



Source

Civitas report (pdf)

David Keighley and Andrew Jubb of Newswatch REALLY don't like the BBC!

It would be interesting so see how much the proportions changed post 2015 when Brexit became a real possibility and then reality. That 3.2% is from before a referendum was called and so reflected the status quo. It would also be interesting to see how the BBC lines up against other public service broadcasters (ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5) and other news outlets

It’s amusing to see the Sun calling out another media organisation for bias...

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It’s amusing to see the Sun calling out another media organisation for bias...

Except that the BBC has a charter duty to be unbiased. No such requirement is made of the press and we also know which way each publication leans.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Mick

Another Brexit scare story me thinks, key word ‘could’, not ‘would’. There are lots of things that got put forward that ‘could’ happen right after the Brexit vote, they didn’t. Enough said.

Ironically, elsewhere you said that remainers use the same arguments again and again, while arguing (again) that the various predictions made about Brexit have not happened. So, I would argue (probably again, although I cannot find any specific examples) that the fact that not all of the bad stuff predicted has happened (I would argue some has, such as record drops in the value of the pound), does not mean it will not happen when we leave. Even the remain campaign said it would not happen immediately. In fact, if anything negative happens it is likely to be over the next decade or two.

In short, paraphrasing Private Eye, one possible reason that **** hasn't hit the fan yet is that no one has started the fan.

Originally Posted by denphone

l am of my own mind and could see through the reprehensible and discreditable lies and deceit that came from both sides of the fence.

How long will you remain on the fence? Until one side or the other's version come to pass?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

How long will you remain on the fence? Until one side or the other's version come to pass?

l was a remainer but that does not mean l liked their campaign because l did not and like the Brexit side it was full of mendaciousness and duplicitousness as l had my own reasons for voting why l did just like everybody else..

Originally Posted by Stuart

Ironically, elsewhere you said that remainers use the same arguments again and again, while arguing (again) that the various predictions made about Brexit have not happened. So, I would argue (probably again, although I cannot find any specific examples) that the fact that not all of the bad stuff predicted has happened (I would argue some has, such as record drops in the value of the pound), does not mean it will not happen when we leave. Even the remain campaign said it would not happen immediately. In fact, if anything negative happens it is likely to be over the next decade or two.

In short, paraphrasing Private Eye, one possible reason that **** hasn't hit the fan yet is that no one has started the fan.

Sigh.

It’s wrong to keep bringing up the argument, ‘we haven’t left yet’, there was plenty of wild scare stories brought up if a leave decision had been made, right after the result. All of them showed to be very inaccurate, the pound dropped and the value of the £vs$, have you noticed it’s value these days?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Sigh.

It’s wrong to keep bringing up the argument, ‘we haven’t left yet’, there was plenty of wild scare stories brought up if a leave decision had been made, right after the result. All of them showed to be very inaccurate, the pound dropped and the value of the £vs$, have you noticed it’s value these days?

Yes, voting leave hasn't impacted the UK negatively one iota. Oh, hang on!


UK annual growth slips to lowest since 2012

George Buckley, chief UK economist at Nomura, said that, despite the acceleration, economic growth in Britain was the lowest among the G7 group of rich countries.“Brexit is likely to be the main driver of this underperformance, and how the UK performs relative to the global recovery will now depend significantly on how the upcoming talks are perceived,” he said.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yes, voting leave hasn't impacted the UK negatively one iota. Oh, hang on!


UK annual growth slips to lowest since 2012

But we haven’t left yet..... That’s the line getting thrown out in 24 hours on here by your Remainer buddies.