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Bobby's-Nutz · 12-04-2008, 01:14

Remember this you guys, I know how the system works, I did the 8 years in 3 courts on an international case.. I lost the first one but, second one caved in under 'conflict of law' and the 3rd I really wanted to not use it but, ***** shame I did and killed it.. They owe me Ã‚Â£330,000 in damages but I killed the ***** case off with conflict of law... crying my eyes out here, have some ***** sympathy... haaaaa

mark777 · 12-04-2008, 01:15

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Originally Posted by Bobby's-Nutz

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Bobby, where are you from, UK or US?

Bobby's-Nutz · 12-04-2008, 01:27

Alexander, Please put some faith into the ICO and play the diplomatic game. Careful now what we say, ok? Back your only friend in this as such, the other *******s would sell you out believe me.. Pay respect to the ones you have elected to represent you and you won't believe the respect you get in return... Please believe me, do not disrespect your own legal offices, if you do all is lost.. Bent Kent is the most polite crook in the world and he has a charm that we must defeat.. ... Bottom line is if you cannot trust the ICO then leave the country... Top line, stay here and help our ICO.. ok guy? .... As for pormo phormo pr looking in on this all I can say is you are ****** in the UK... HAAAAA

SimonHickling · 12-04-2008, 01:31

Alexander, I've just read your article and think it's great. It's answered a number of questions I had about the relevant laws.

Earlier today I e-mailed both ICO and the Home Office to find out what the nature of the advice they had given Phorm was (though I doubt they'll actually tell me - it's not like I pay their wages or anything

). I also raised with them the issue of web hosts opting out as that seems to have been avoided by Phorm and BT so far. I had come to the same conclusions as you regarding the Copyright Designs and Patents Act with regards to publishing a derivative work, and likened it to making a copy of the Times, Hansard, etc adding a load of adverts and then passing it on (I assume they will understand that).

Has anyone heard anything from Phorm, ISPs, ICO or Home Office about the rights of web hosts beyond the implied consent argument (FTR I explicitly do NOT consent and shall be forwarding the details of my sites to the relevant parties)?

As I am partly responsible for a commercial site (children's furniture), I would not be happy if, as a result of searching for children's furniture someone visited our site and was presented with a load of adverts for other manufacturers / resellers seemingly advertising on our site.

Thanks again to Alexander for his (I'd say tireless, but I guess he's tired) great work.

Forgot to mention - I actually asked Phorm about the opt-out options for web hosts, but I'm not holding my breath.

Bobby's-Nutz · 12-04-2008, 01:37

Anyways you guys, you do not have to go to the Phorm pr stunt because Phorm/Bt are defeated in the UK.. Winners do not accept invitations to a pr promotion in respect of the losers... Now grow up lads and back out of this pr thing, he might use it as a protest against the ICO.. BE WARNED. Give him no audience that his arrogance oh so craves, back away from him, he's the loser ffs....

manxminx · 12-04-2008, 01:40

A lot of people have been wondering what Kent has up his sleeve for Tuesday. Personally, I don't think he has anything new. Time will tell, but I get the feeling that he has total blind faith in his product, that's all. He is right, everyone else is wrong. And that is also the case when it comes to the law, his interpretation is the correct one.

He's already been quoted as saying that he was totally mystified as to why there has been such a backlash, and I can accept that as it's obvious they had not planned for such a response from us, despite the interim 80/20 thinking report giving him advanced warning.

Interception of data? impersonating websites? What's that got to do with the price of cheese? The fact is, as he keeps on telling us, Phorm doesn't store any personal data, it respects privacy, it embraces privacy. THAT's what's important. . . . .

Roll on Tuesday . . .

Bobby's-Nutz · 12-04-2008, 01:50

Alexander I think you will agree the loser is craving our attention... Just let me play his ***** game, I'll always be a step ahead but, grrrr, if only I had his money, hehehe..

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Ok we hark on about privacy but are Phorm trying to tell us we have no online privacy unless we sign over our parents ashs to them, emmmmmm, maybe but include the card number plz, ooops! sorry we don't need your credit card number as it's up on our hd wide screen in our office right now, thank you...

mark777 · 12-04-2008, 01:52

I don't know how big Marketing Week is in the advertising sector, but if it's widely read, this is good.

http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/cgi-b...=258&h=262&f=3

"Prior to the ICO ruling, Phorm was expecting to operate on the basis that all customers of an internet service provider were enrolled and users would actively have to opt-out."

And that's how they must have been pushing it to potential advertisers.

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"Marketing Week is the UK's leading magazine for professionals working in marketing, marketing services and media."

For what it's worth in the 'about us' bit. The Phorm story is linked on the front page at the moment though.

**Maggy** · 12-04-2008, 01:55

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Originally Posted by Bobby's-Nutz

Anyways you guys, you do not have to go to the Phorm pr stunt because Phorm/Bt are defeated in the UK.. Winners do not accept invitations to a pr promotion in respect of the losers... Now grow up lads and back out of this pr thing, he might use it as a protest against the ICO.. BE WARNED. Give him no audience that his arrogance oh so craves, back away from him, he's the loser ffs....

Why are you trying so hard to dissuade everyone from attending the meeting?I smell something fishy.

MovedGoalPosts · 12-04-2008, 01:56

Would everybody please cut out the profanity in their posts, and avoid trying to bypass the filter. It should be a clue if your posts have loads of asterixes that the use of such words is not accepted on Cable Forum.

Bobby's-Nutz · 12-04-2008, 02:00

Alexander is delving into our weird and wonderful laws right this moment, stop, you will go mad studying conflicts of law ... Trust me Alexander nobody goes there unless you got a good 5mil starters... Please believe me you will only defeat guys like Bent Kent via higher office, let them do the work, we are the victims in this scam...

BeckyD · 12-04-2008, 02:04

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Why are you trying so hard to dissuade everyone from attending the meeting?I smell something fishy.

Have to say I agree, I'm smelling a rat......

Bobby's-Nutz · 12-04-2008, 02:09

Earlier today I e-mailed both ICO and the Home Office to find out what the nature of the advice they had given Phorm was (though I doubt they'll actually tell me - it's not like I pay their wages or anything ). I also raised with them the issue of web hosts opting out as that seems to have been avoided by Phorm and BT so far. I had come to the same conclusions as you regarding the Copyright Designs and Patents Act with regards to publishing a derivative work, and likened it to making a copy of the Times, Hansard, etc adding a load of adverts and then passing it on (I assume they will understand that).

Take your time they will respond, they responded to me online this morning I believe or maybe just a million to one coincidence plus I got a lovely thank you notice.. C'mon, who's your real friend here, ICO or ******s online?

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Rob we are trying, sorry, bad words seem to be a way of life though...

mark777 · 12-04-2008, 02:25

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Originally Posted by Bobby's-Nutz

Rob we are trying, sorry, bad words seem to be a way of life though...

'We' - just how many of you are there? There seems to be a big change in style here compared to previous posts.

SimonHickling · 12-04-2008, 02:27

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Originally Posted by SimonHickling

I had come to the same conclusions as you regarding the Copyright Designs and Patents Act with regards to publishing a derivative work, and likened it to making a copy of the Times, Hansard, etc adding a load of adverts and then passing it on (I assume they will understand that).
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As I am partly responsible for a commercial site (children's furniture), I would not be happy if, as a result of searching for children's furniture someone visited our site and was presented with a load of adverts for other manufacturers / resellers seemingly advertising on our site.

Having re-read some of the previously mentioned articles it seems that sites will not have ads thrust upon them unless they subscribe to OIX. My mistake (I hope). I still don't want them trawling my sites though.