Boxing 2013 - Page 8

Mick Fisher · 21-09-2013, 15:35

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Originally Posted by denphone

To be perfectly honest only diehards would have paid extra for this fight as Haye is a has been who just want to make a extra buck while Fury is a nobody who will remain a nobody.

That's a bit cruel Den but I think you are correct.

denphone · 21-09-2013, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

That's a bit cruel Den but I think you are correct.

You have to say what you think l have always thought.

Mick Fisher · 21-09-2013, 16:06

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Originally Posted by denphone

You have to say what you think l have always thought.

True, but sometimes it can get you into more trouble than it is worth, as a certain UKIP member has just found out.

denphone · 21-09-2013, 16:11

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

True, but sometimes it can get you into more trouble than it is worth, as a certain UKIP member has just found out.

Yes politicians do have a habit of putting their foot in it.

adzii_nufc · 21-09-2013, 22:56

Haye's never been past it. He might be if you view him as an actual boxer. Haye isn't though, he has little boxing talent and that's always been the case. Haye is sheer speed and power which in today's world sells fights. He'll knock Vitali's chin across the ring if he catches him right. Chisora came with his supposed 'one of the best in the business chins' and got it knocked right of his face. Hopefully Fury walks away now and we might have hope for British boxing, Fury gets dropped by Haye = disaster. He's our last genuine heavyweight for at least 4-5 years, Haye will end up with Vitali, win/lose then walk away again and thats that.

Also note that the brothers of boredom rarely come out of their nest in Germany, which is useless when Haye is in trouble should he step foot in Germany. Add this all up and it makes the fight pointless, Haye is effectively going to put the British Heavyweight division on hiatus for the next few years.

Haye has nothing to prove. He's a cruiserweight with phenomenal power that could drop any given boxer in the world, including the Klits. Jab him and avoid him for 12 rounds and you have nothing though. Lunge at him and you have a different story.

Whilst I'm disappointed about said injury I also feel relieved this fight may not go ahead.

adzii_nufc · 22-09-2013, 11:43

This post applies to both Boxing and MMA.

Just a write-up about my earlier conversation regarding the decisions in the Mayweather fight.

I know there's always been speculation about rigged fights but over the past two years I've witnessed some absolutely ridiculous judging and some highly suspicious 'knockout's' in both Boxing and MMA.

My problem with this is no one seems to care. Which is fair enough but this isn't WWE, it's two legitimate sports that you can gamble on.

Example one: Timothy Bradley vs Manny Pacquiao. 115-113, (115-113 Bradley)
Winning score: 115-113 Bradley. All three judges scored the fight with the same score. It wasn't in a million years close to that. A female judge who we'll come to later cast the 115-113 in favour of Bradley and she links right in with this later on. The fight was a clear points dominant win for Manny and has since been rescored as the resolution to this case. Firstly, how on earth did three scores like that end up as the result? secondly stripping someone of a world title but allowing them to remain the victor of a fight like that just doesn't cut it and the fairest outcome would be to simply overturn the result into Manny's favor or fairer yet, no contest.

Now to expand on this, Bradley then went onto face Ruslan Provodnikov, a relatively unknown kid that absolutely battered Bradley but Bradley got lucky and escaped on points. So a man with the power and reputation of the Pacman couldn't leave a scratch on Bradley but some unknown Russian Kid from the Freddie Roach camp leaves him on the mat after the first round?

Bradley's being pushed as the next mayweather, except he has little skill apart from speed and a Chin similar to that of his clone, Amir Khan. Bradley has Marquez up next and I can't help but feel this is another rigged fight that'll see Marquez lose ridiculously on points as they continue to push Bradley to the top.

Example 2: Michael Bisping vs Chael Sonnen (UFC) 30-27, 30-27, 30-27
Winner faces Anderson Silva

This one had fix written all over it before it had even started with people declaring that if it went to points there's simply no way Dana White would miss out on Sonnen vs Silva 2. Surely enough it went to the judges. Bisping dominated with a jab and a few punches comfortably for 3 rounds whilst Sonnen had a few takedowns but failed to produce anything to damage Bisping at all. So to sum it up, Bisping punched away at him whilst Sonnen effectively did nothing for 3 rounds. Times up and Sonnen wins by a landslide. Dana White got his wish and a hefty bunch of UFC fans went crazy with the judging. Dana White responded and always has with 'Never leave it to the judges' Really? If you don't trust judges either then why are they scoring this stuff? again Dana White ignored the criticism and it went on. Basic way to put this, unless Bisping knocked Sonnen out there was simply no way he was getting Silva.

Example 3: Anderson Silva vs Chris Weidman (Chris Weidman wins by TKO)

Probably the most ridiculous knockout I've ever seen, weeks after Anderson Silva claiming he's bored of being a champion and so on ends with him on the mat after dancing in front of his opponent, no I'm not exagerating either, he was literally dancing in front of him. The best fighter on the planet was taken out with a half decent hook at best. I find that hard to believe
especially given his comments in the build up naturally the reaction was immense with Dana White giving his usual no nonsense BS speech. Then surprise surprise we have a rematch this year that will sell twice as much. Come on Dana, it's getting a bit suspicious now.

Example 4: Floyd Mayweather vs Saul Alvarez (Judge C. J. Ross scored the fight 114–114, a draw. Judge Dave Moretti had it 116–112, and Craig Metcalfe scored it 117–111)

Facts: Mayweather dominated from start to finish in his usual style and it was a landslide victory. Yet somehow a female judge managed to pull out a 114-114 score. I find that astonishing. Now this is the link between example one and example 4, this very same woman also scored Pacman's loss to Bradley. So in a year she's brought up two astonishing scorecards and no one in the sporting authority has questioned this at all. This is the most blatant attempt in a possible match fix out of all examples listed and the most high profile in a very long time. This is a corrupt woman that's attempting to influence the outcome of a professional boxing match and somewhere out there you have people making a lot of money from this woman.

C.J Ross has since taken a self imposed leave from boxing. That's no good, she's effectively influenced two recent fights and is just going to walk away? She should be arrested and investigated for corruption.

Notable mentions: Amir Khan vs Lamont Peterson (Peterson on points)

Peterson later tests positive for PED's but Khan still has a loss rather than a No contest. The best they can offer is a vacated belt and continue to allow Peterson to fight without any significant punishment. The fight also seen a judge apparently change his scorecard after influence from a person behind him.

Final thoughts: Three Non-American judges should be in charge of Bradley vs Marquez.

denphone · 24-09-2013, 17:19

George Groves appoints Paddy Fitzpatrick as trainer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/24201565

TheDaddy · 24-09-2013, 22:39

When Ali came to Britain just starting on ITV1

denphone · 25-09-2013, 07:07

David Haye and Tyson Fury fight rescheduled for 8 February

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/24230702

adzii_nufc · 26-09-2013, 10:43

So marks the end of British Heavyweight boxing.

Haye drops Fury, Fury gets buried. Haye beats or loses to Vitali and retires either way.

I'd rather see Fury back out and stop fighting bums and gradually get himself up to a decent level. Getting knocked down by a bum then jumping in a ring with hardest hitter in the division is asking for trouble.

thenry · 05-10-2013, 21:43

boxing on SS2 now. this young Campbell finished his fight in the first round

Anthony Joshuas debut to come later

adzii_nufc · 05-10-2013, 21:47

Wlad just walked to another win, awful fight, awful ref.

He just throws a punch then leans all over the opponent and pushes them over. It's ridiculous. He did the same thing against Haye for the entire 12. 1 point docked all night for about 5 separate things. It's pointless, you can't hit him if he just grabs you and wrestles you every time.

Enough of this, if he want's to wrestle and use his forearms in Boxing, stick him in there with Cain Velasquez and level the playing field.

thenry · 05-10-2013, 23:52

really? that was lardass vs powerhouse. exciting times ahead for Joshua

adzii_nufc · 06-10-2013, 05:49

Wlad has no choice but to do this. If he didn't he would be countered with ease all night. The issue is its completely against the rules. If they can get a ref that will punish him then I'll feel safe saying he can be easily beat. Haye would be far too quick in a fair fight and Wlad would be helpless. I was one that criticised Haye after that fight for falling over but now I completely understand why. Wlad simply throws a punch and grabs instantly and then leans and wrestles. Without this his opponents might actually be able to box. I never thought I'd label a Klitschko a cheat...The same guys that criticise British boxers for their actions outside the ring...Pot Kettle etc.

As for Joshua. They have to make him different to the current breed. Don't have him fight bums for 20 fights then have him flattened by a world champion. Build him up properly and get it right for heavens sake.

thenry · 06-10-2013, 12:43

Was you replying to my post Adz? I meant lardass (Emanuele Leo) vs powerhouse (Anthony Joshua). I didn't watch the Klitschko fight, the only interest I have in Klitschko is Hayden Panettiere. Was he pee'd off last night? a load of gossip stuff say shes cheating.