Corbyn's kerfuffle

[techguyone]

It's got the distinct smell 'we don't know what the fark we're doing' about it. I don't supposes it's been an issue before, Labour need to have some proper rules set up after this to avoid a repeat.

[Osem]

I'm only surprised that anyone's surprised Labour are inept. They've proved it many times before...

[heero_yuy]

British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn does not need to be nominated by his lawmakers to run in a leadership contest triggered by a challenge from one of his colleagues, a judge ruled on Thursday.

Labour is locked in a bitter internal fight over its future and Corbyn, whose lawmakers have overwhelmingly backed a vote of no confidence in him, is campaigning to keep the job he was elected to last year with the strong grassroots support.

A decision by the party's National Executive Committee (NEC) this month that Corbyn could automatically be on the ballot paper for the contest without having to seek nominations from lawmakers had been challenged in court by Labour donor Michael Foster.

Reuters

So Jezza stays as leader then. We can enjoy the spectator sport of watching Labour continue to self destruct. Maybe from the ashes a new opposition grouping will rise but it looks like Tory's will be in power for a very long time.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I am saddened by this Court result. The Conservative Party, will be running in power for a very long time.

I just wish that l could wipe the smug face of Jeremy Corbyn. He will win the vote in Sept. As he is buying votes, to beat Own Smith.

The cheek today was, as soon as the result came in. I had an email from The Labour Party, saying that we had a 'strong' leader.

Who are they trying to kid.

[techguyone]

It's their own bluddy [sic] fault, what kind of Mickey Mouse party doesn't have any sort of proper rules and controls, bet you once they fragment into mini labour, new new labour or moar Lab, they will then, serves them right. cnuts.

[Osem]

The lunatics are well and truly running Labour's asylum.

It's long been time for a clear out of the loony left so let's hope a) that a credible new opposition party emerges and b) it endures rather longer and more productively than the SDP did.

Originally Posted by Osem

It's long been time for a clear out of the loony left so let's hope a) that a credible new opposition party emerges and b) it endures rather longer and more productively than the SDP did.

From what I've heard a lot of what the SDP stood for was subsequently adopted by both Tories and Labour politicians alike. The party itself didn't work out but it may have helped change politics.

We might see something similar where the old left/right fight gives way to another dividing line. UKIP are interesting in that they appeal to many traditional Labour voters and some traditional Tory voters. It's also frequently commented upon that Cameron and Blair were probably closer to each other than some of their own backbenchers. Certainly Cameron would have been a more acceptable leader of the Labour party than Corbyn is for many of them.

Brexit I think showed a dividing line between those who benefited from global trade, services and immigration or think they will vs those who haven't done so well or at least fear they won't do as well that's far more potent that the traditional left/right fight we've seen traditionally.

I mean what existing fights are left in the old way? New Labour probably did so well for so long because these questions were largely settled.

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What is ironic IMO is that Miliband seemed to identify these issues are better than anyone else had and much of his platform has been seized on by May.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

From what I've heard a lot of what the SDP stood for was subsequently adopted by both Tories and Labour politicians alike. The party itself didn't work out but it may have helped change politics.

We might see something similar where the old left/right fight gives way to another dividing line. UKIP are interesting in that they appeal to many traditional Labour voters and some traditional Tory voters. It's also frequently commented upon that Cameron and Blair were probably closer to each other than some of their own backbenchers. Certainly Cameron would have been a more acceptable leader of the Labour party than Corbyn is for many of them.

Brexit I think showed a dividing line between those who benefited from global trade, services and immigration or think they will vs those who haven't done so well or at least fear they won't do as well that's far more potent that the traditional left/right fight we've seen traditionally.

I mean what existing fights are left in the old way? New Labour probably did so well for so long because these questions were largely settled.

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What is ironic IMO is that Miliband seemed to identify these issues are better than anyone else had and much of his platform has been seized on by May.

Yes it will have done, but its fairly rapid demise led us back to where we'd been - swinging between the Tories and Labour in an attempt to find a half decent government of one hue or the other. Hopefully, in just a short time, Corbyn's done more than a long list of pathetic Labour leaders to ensure that Same Old Labour is going to be banished for good. Let's just hope we don't get a sharp suited Bliar clone popping along shortly with an army of spin doctors and a revolutionary concept- New Labour 2!...

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I can see a new Labour Party being formed to tackle the real issues of this country. Rather than the farcical way its being done today.

Labour must know that it will NEVER win an election under Corbyn. I can see Mrs May going to the Country, when the Summer holidays are over.

She will go for a further term. And Corbyn, and Labour will be torn to shreds at the election.
Its been done before with the Liberal Demcrats.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Id rather vote Tory, as they will definitely win.

You must be a politician doing a U-turn, Arfur voting Tory? I thought hell would freeze over before that happened.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I can see Mrs May going to the Country, when the Summer holidays are over.

She will go for a further term. And Corbyn, and Labour will be torn to shreds at the election.
Its been done before with the Liberal Demcrats.

How is she going to get the support for an early election, turkeys don't vote for Christmas even labour ones

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Id rather vote Tory, as they will definitely win.

Unbelievable

loyal to the end

May will not go for another election. It would just delay Brexit planning still further, and sour international relations.

[Osem]

I agree and if she did so early into her term I think it would be nothing more than selfish opportunism in the face of Corbyn's cronyism and chaos. I think (hope!) she's better than that and will want to get on with this but in a considered manner then be judged properly next time out on her record.

[Ignitionnet]

Time for another instalment I think.

Corbyn accused of 'bottling' hustings with Smith after rejecting debate.

Quoting a Corbynista:

What does he need to prove? Why bother?

Corbyn pledges to scrap Blair union laws

Not sure how he's planning on creating that highly skilled, high employment economy when employers wouldn't touch the UK with a bargepole given his plans. Welcome to a globalised world, Jeremy, it's a bitch but that's reality.

Think I know why he wanted out of the EU now, some fantasy idea of extreme protectionism per the old school leftist objections to the Common Market, etc.

Corbyn criticises rebel MPs as rumours mount of “semi-split”

Can but hope.

Majority of voters prefer Owen Smith to Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader, new poll reveals

However, 75% of Labour voters prefer Corbyn. Pretty much same old, Corbyn works for some of the faithful, the rest of Labour and the vast majority of everyone else has no interest in him.

[Ignitionnet]

Owen Jones, that well known far-right Blairite, has asked a few key questions of Corbyn.

https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/ques...ed3#.wbica12x5

Likely this was provoked by the grief he received from Corbynistas for making comments on Twitter that weren't even remotely controversial.