07-06-2008, 18:27
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I can see BT, TalkTalk and Virgin Media are struggling to understand the complex issue of copyright.
For their convenience I've created a simplified "ISPs Guide to Copyright", an instructional video if you will...
Enjoy (you will )
http://www.dephormation.org.uk/video/copyright.wmv
(with sincere apologies to anyone who can't handle wmv)
COPYRIGHT FREE - FEEL FREE TO REDISTRIBUTE WITH MY BLESSING
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07-06-2008, 18:49
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#8372
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by CWH
Wouldn't it be nice, if the groups in this Country took a leaf out of the USA regarding Phorm et al. (As reported by The Register)
Colin
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That would be difficult when you have GB as the none voted in prime minister on a paraniod trip for security from terrorists. Now all are terrorists unless you can prove other wise so total survilence. more like total madness he must be in need of putting out to grass retirment early.
Look at what has been thought of by him supposedily for our security and how many of these things have lost personal details data that they most likely didn't need was lost in the public domain. They gather more than they need so then become the sercurity leak.
We need a new fresh start with public safety in the list and more for the public to defend themselves from intrusion into their privacy, more in protecting them from large corporate companies leeching from their privacy.
@ that had to watch it three times was listening out for any stutters or hesitation but there was none but a infectious laugh at the end.
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07-06-2008, 18:51
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
While we're on creative writing, I'm planning a script for a Bremner Bird and Fortune interview with Georgina Parr, BT Director of Customer Stealth Trials and Profiling, starring John Bird in a skirt and wig. It will of course be entirely fictional and speculative.
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07-06-2008, 18:59
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by mark777
@Dephormation
Pete,
that train reminds me of a graph of their share price.
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ROFL
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07-06-2008, 19:24
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Dephormation
... For their convenience I've created a simplified "ISPs Guide to Copyright", an instructional video if you will...
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I like it. Just one small quibble, perhaps you should rename the "police" character as "Mr Bailiff" as surely copyright is a civil matter?
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07-06-2008, 19:28
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by lardycake
I like it. Just one small quibble, perhaps you should rename the "police" character as "Mr Bailiff" as surely copyright is a civil matter?
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No - it is criminal... if you're a business.
See section 107 (Criminal liability for making or dealing with infringing articles, &c).
Also section 110 (Offence by body corporate: liability of officers).
BT directors could go to prison for copyright alone (never mind fraud, DPA, RIPA etc).
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07-06-2008, 19:38
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Dephormation
No - it is criminal... if you're a business.
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That's even better then. So the police/Crown Prosecution Service would, in theory, take up the case?
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07-06-2008, 20:02
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
What this now looks like is BT say it isnt legal the law as we see it and some legla advisers say it is. Using the information from the ICO the only way to prove it is legal or not is through court so now the secret trials should go to court to prove once and for all it was illegal (or legal)
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07-06-2008, 21:01
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
For those who haven't seen it yet - link to the story in the Economist's Technology Quarterly
http://www.economist.com/displaystor...ry_id=11482452
It would appear to be slightly biased towards being in favour of Phorm
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07-06-2008, 21:25
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Dephormation
I can see BT, TalkTalk and Virgin Media are struggling to understand the complex issue of copyright.
For their convenience I've created a simplified "ISPs Guide to Copyright", an instructional video if you will...
Enjoy (you will )
http://www.dephormation.org.uk/video/copyright.wmv
(with sincere apologies to anyone who can't handle wmv)
COPYRIGHT FREE - FEEL FREE TO REDISTRIBUTE WITH MY BLESSING
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ROFL
Infotainment
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07-06-2008, 22:18
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff
Labougie, you can continue to do that but apathy doesn't rule here and I won't be giving up. The only reason any of this crap has happened in the first place is because of the complete apathy of the general population, but I disagree with you completely in that I believe if that apathy can be dissolved then the people can definitely get those rights back.
When passion swells in the general populace because they have had enough and don't want to take this crap any more, then no government or corporation in the land will stop it.
You believe what you like, but frankly I find your comments an offence to people who do give a flying unmentionable and an illustration of part of the problem, not part of the solution. Attitudes like yours are exactly why we are in the situation we are in the first place in my opinion. Instead of being such a pessimist how about becoming pro-active and trying to do something and make a difference instead of just sitting there talking defeatist rubbish.
Seriously, why some people even bother to post if all they are intent on doing is trying to dampen morale, is beyond me.
Alexander Hanff
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Here, Here, Alex I agree 100% with you on this!
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07-06-2008, 23:04
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I wonder if any technically minded people here could summarise (in layman's language) the relevant bits of the leaked report, so I can add them to my summary of the non-techie bits, and put the whole thing together as a document anyone can use to send to their MP/MEP/ICO etc.
I'll leave it to the techies to decide what is significant - perhaps the IP address issues, the latency - and other stuff I don't understand. The main importance would be to pick up technical stuff that had a bearing on the illegality of the 2006 trials, or had a bearing on the alleged duplicity and deceit of any consequent statements by BT and Phorm.
The key thing would be to keep it in layman's language and make it easy to understand - don't want any MP's dozing off before they get to the end.
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08-06-2008, 04:12
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff
Yeah I was experimenting trying a few things, it is back now.
http://cryptome.org <- I never knew that was there til just now.
Alexander Hanff
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Cryptome has an interesting old PDF from charles clarke MP
clarke-rip-lie.htm + Charles Clarke MP Lied About RIP June 6, 2008
Charles Clarke MP Letter:
http://cryptome.org/clarke-rip-lie.pdf (4pp, 823KB)
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08-06-2008, 08:43
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
13,974... 13,975... 13,976
Make sure your name is on the list of the smartest people on the planet. Only twenty four chances left to say "my name is in the first 14 thousand".
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08-06-2008, 09:45
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by popper
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There is another online petition on the very subject of public bodies having access to our personal information. local councils are abusing the act to spy upon their own constituents over trivial matters.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ripact/
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