Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

Do you really want to play at being that dim ? if so, refer to below

I've provided a link quoting a diplomat not a politician. So yes, politicians do lie but that's irrelevant here.

Who is speaking on behalf of the Spamish Government, who are politicians.

Spain will not block Scotland’s entry into the European Union if independence is legally achieved, and such has always been the intention of the Spanish government

Dont start trying to be a smartass, it wont end well.

[Sephiroth]

Aren’t diplomats paid to at least be economical with the truth, knowing how to phrase a lie/

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Aren’t diplomats paid to at least be economical with the truth, knowing how to phrase a lie/

It's useful to refer to the source material here, make of it what you will.

But in a letter sent to The Herald newspaper, which was also copied to Scottish Government officials, Mr Quintana insisted that the politician had been speaking “in his and his party’s exclusive responsibility” and not on behalf of the Spanish government.

[Julian]

So an 18 month old article quoting a nobody supposedly speaking on behalf of a country.



Nothing to see here....

[jfman]

I know how much everyone loves polls on CF but one out this morning predicts the SNP to win 71 of 129 seats with independence supporting Greens getting 11.

The spirit of Ian Paisley can live on with a Yorkshire accent with Richard Leonard's Labour party being the biggest opposition party.

Better get those Salmond smears out quickly.

Originally Posted by jfman

I know how much everyone loves polls on CF but one out this morning predicts the SNP to win 71 of 129 seats with independence supporting Greens getting 11.

The spirit of Ian Paisley can live on with a Yorkshire accent with Richard Leonard's Labour party being the biggest opposition party.

Better get those Salmond smears out quickly.

It's interesting he's not said anything publicly yet about the rumours of him forming a rival independence party. It may be just tittle tattle or he may think it's in his strategic interests to wait till the last minute. If he does go for it it will royally screw up the polling predictions especially with the two-vote PR-ish system we have.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

It's interesting he's not said anything publicly yet about the rumours of him forming a rival independence party. It may be just tittle tattle or he may think it's in his strategic interests to wait till the last minute. If he does go for it it will royally screw up the polling predictions especially with the two-vote PR-ish system we have.

Very much so. Could have wildly varying consequences if they stand in every constituency or whether they stick to being a "list" party.

Originally Posted by jfman

I know how much everyone loves polls on CF but one out this morning predicts the SNP to win 71 of 129 seats with independence supporting Greens getting 11.

The spirit of Ian Paisley can live on with a Yorkshire accent with Richard Leonard's Labour party being the biggest opposition party.

Better get those Salmond smears out quickly.

Accent TBC ... Leonard has walked. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55666234

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Accent TBC ... Leonard has walked. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55666234

And I was really looking forward to it.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by jfman

And I was really looking forward to it.

eeee bahh gumm I cannae believe it

[jfman]

Entertainingly James Matthews at Sky has been sitting on the following gem since 2017:

https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-st...eaked-12192267

While embarrassing for the email exchanges to be made public by mistake they aren't particularly out of the ordinary. A seperate freedom of information request lodged in 2018 and published by the Scottish Government acknowledges the role of Special Advisors (and Ministers) in the clearance process prior to responding.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-18-01646-review/

That said the average reader/viewer would probably consider it overly complex I'm sure no journalist, ever, has sought to trip up a Minister by reading to them outputs from a freedom of information on television.

So while it reads juicy the reality is much more mundane.

[Mr K]

Looks like the Scots are going to ignore Boris and have another vote anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...droidApp_Other

Nicola Sturgeon says she will hold an advisory referendum on independence if the Scottish National party wins a majority in May’s Holyrood elections, regardless of whether Westminster consents to the move.

Her party is setting out an 11-point roadmap for taking forward another vote, which will be presented to members of the SNP’s national assembly on Sunday.

Scotland’s first minister told BBC One’s The Andrew Marr Show on Sunday morning: “I want to have a legal referendum, that’s what I’m going to seek the authority of the Scottish people for in May and if they give me that authority that’s what I intend to do: to have a legal referendum to give people the right to choose.

[nashville]

This is one of my worst fears if the SNP ever have an election for Indy2 and win, I will cry my eyes out

Originally Posted by Mr K

Looks like the Scots are going to ignore Boris and have another vote anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...droidApp_Other

This has always been a possibility. They’ve shied away from the advisory referendum idea in the past because there’s a very effective strategy for countering it, which is for the other Holyrood parties to refuse to engage with the campaign and to advise the public not to vote at all.

You then end up with a large yes vote on a small turnout, in which every non-voter can be claimed as a no voter. The referendum is delegitimised as a piece of political theatre - nationalists talking to themselves in an echo chamber.

Sturgeon has however now got little choice but to go down this route because the real heidbangers in her party are getting impatient. She is about to have gone a full parliamentary term as a nationalist first minister without delivering a referendum, let alone Scotland’s departure from the union. Going another term that way isn’t an option. She clearly wants to hold on to her job.

As a member of the electorate in Scotland I’m certainly not minded to legitimise the SNPs schemes by participating in them.