President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Originally Posted by Mick

I had to laugh at this recent video and it just highlights the Trump syndrome/hysteria effect that people have.

This is just the partisan syndrome effect. You could find videos of Republicans being told policies and loving them until they find out they were Obamas. Ditto Labour/Conservative.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is just the partisan syndrome effect. You could find videos of Republicans being told policies and loving them until they find out they were Obamas. Ditto Labour/Conservative.

Like Trump claiming credit for the economy, when it's really down to Obama.
https://www.apnews.com/f81e6d4350c444a08c2dfcb9cd5bd81d

Originally Posted by Mr K

Like Trump claiming credit for the economy, when it's really down to Obama.
https://www.apnews.com/f81e6d4350c444a08c2dfcb9cd5bd81d

Wrong again.

Obama has been out office for over a year, liberals and lefties and hysteria types, cannot keep claiming crap that it’s down to Obama when it’s not, the economy was flatlined when he was president, the economy shot up after the Election due infact to word of Trump’s Tax Cuts law changes speculation. I am not saying the boost in the economy is all down to him, but there was a dramatic boost to the economy, just after the Election that cannot be disputed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...struct-mueller

Three Republican members of the House Intelligence Committee said questions raised in the memo alleging bias in Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election do not undermine the need for the investigation.

“It doesn’t end that need at all,” Representative Chris Stewart of Utah said on the “Fox News Sunday” program. “It would be a mistake for anyone to suggest that the special counsel shouldn’t complete his work.”

Representative Will Hurd, a Republican from Texas and former CIA officer, said on ABC’s “This Week” program that the investigation should continue.

“I want to stress, Bob Mueller should be allowed to turn over every rock, pursue every lead so that we can have trust in knowing what actually the Russians did or did not do,” Hurd said.

Representative Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, speaking on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” said questions about a dossier used to help secure a warrant to spy on a U.S. citizen have nothing do with other aspects of the investigation examining possible links between Russia and Trump’s campaign.

“There’s going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier,” Gowdy said. Gowdy is the only Republican on the intelligence panel who’s seen the classified intelligence used to write the Nunes memo.

Some Republicans were saying that over a week ago before the Memo was voted for release, ancient news.

'That Memo' doesn't, but as I said more Memo's and revelations to come down the line..

I'm sure if Mueller had evidence of collusion right now, it would have been leaked to the New York Times by now or CNN....

Think I'll just leave this very 'fitting' cartoon image here....

[1andrew1]

Democrats warn of potential constitutional crisis over memo
Democrats have sounded the alarm of a potential constitutional crisis in Washington, warning that President Donald Trump may use the release of a top-secret memo as grounds to fire his deputy attorney-general and undermine a special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election....
"To say that that’s the end of the investigation, that this is all Trump needs to fire Rosenstein or to fire Bob Mueller, I’ll just tell you this could precipitate a constitutional crisis,” Dick Durbin, the Senate minority whip, said on CNN. “If the House Republicans believe they’ve set the stage for this president to end this investigation, they are basically saying that in America one man is above the law.”
His Republicans colleagues were “bound and determined to continue to find ways to absolve this president from any responsibility”, Mr Durbin alleged. “And frankly it’s doing Putin’s work.”

https://www.ft.com/content/739ab486-...7-42f857ea9f09

Democrats are being pathetic. Totally untrustworthy given the parties attempt to rig the election, the real colluding side.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Democrats are being pathetic. Totally untrustworthy given the parties attempt to rig the election, the real colluding side.

Do you think Trump should fire Rosenstein or Mueller?

The democrats are the last one's that should try and take the legal high ground they are as corrupt as it gets and even diehard democrat friends of mine are saying they would prefer another option. Neither the democrats or the republicans really bother to look after ordinary americans and that's the problem of a two party state eventually they become as bad as each other and the majority loses out. I'm not sure how feasible a third or fourth political party would be in the U.S but they desperately need it as more and more americans become dissatisfied with the current setup.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Do you think Trump should fire Rosenstein or Mueller?

He won't fire Mueller, I'd put a pound on it

I think it's been clear for a while now that it's obstruction of justice into illicit payments that is the real substance of the Mueller investigation. It is for that the existing charges have been for after all. The FBI investigation this replaced had also, it seems, been heading down that route and it's this that Steve Bannon thought was the biggest liability.

It's unlikely this will reach as high up as Trump though. Mueller clearly has someone in his sights hence why the existing charges for Flynn and the guy with the long name have been given generous plea deals. We don't know what they've given Mueller or what Papadopoulos was doing in the several months he was working for Mueller unannounced to anyone else.

But unless Mueller is keeping a bunch of stuff about Russian collusion under wraps it's the payments which have been the only information that's come out from the investigations so far.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

The democrats are the last one's that should try and take the legal high ground they are as corrupt as it gets and even diehard democrat friends of mine are saying they would prefer another option. Neither the democrats or the republicans really bother to look after ordinary americans and that's the problem of a two party state eventually they become as bad as each other and the majority loses out. I'm not sure how feasible a third or fourth political party would be in the U.S but they desperately need it as more and more americans become dissatisfied with the current setup.

Another big problem is the gerrymandering that has ensured some senators stay in place long after they should have been kicked out under a fairer system.

Donald J. Trump
@realdonaldtrump

The Democrats are pushing for Universal HealthCare while thousands of people are marching in the UK because their U system is going broke and not working. Dems want to greatly raise taxes for really bad and non-personal medical care. No thanks!

12:11 PM - 5 Feb 2018

Life expectancy
UK male: 79.4; US male: 76.9
UK female: 83.0;US female: 81.6

Healthcare spending (OECD):
UK: 9.9% of GDP
US: 16.6% of GDP

Uninsured:
UK: 0
US: 28 million

Number of adults made bankrupt by medical bills 2015
UK 0
US 642,000

% of people struggling to pay medical bills
UK 0
US 26

Thanks for the advice/commentary, Дональд, I think I'll stick with our "broke and not working" system...

The US always points out they have the cutting edge treatments there and point to UK cases where people try to raise money to head to some American clinic to get experimental treatment. This is true but these isn't available to vast majority of Americans in the same way it's not available to us. These treatments are just that, experimental, and of limited supply. They're not covered by American insurers in the same way the NHS doesn't pay for them.

In general America do not have better outcomes than us and yet they pay for more of it as a country and per person than we do. Their entire system is a mess. You have co-pays, premiums, 'in-network' hospitals, levels of insurance and deals between insurers and hospital companies that mean simple things can be billed at orders of magnitude the cost. It's mad.

The reason most people go bankrupt isn't even a lack of insurance, it's that their insurance falls short. Until recently basic things could not be covered but there a realms of paperwork to work though.

[denphone]

Without a US cutting edge treatment l would not be here now so l am eternally thankful to them for that but our health system despite its many faults in infinitely better.