Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
20-09-2018, 22:59
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
Something wrong there then , just tried a UHD title and it was available in under 10 seconds.
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20-09-2018, 23:06
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
Obviously it depends on speed, which Sky can’t guarantee the highest speeds for everyone. I’d be highly doubtful that your experience is representative. Especially for those on the non-fibre product.
https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Q/S...w/td-p/2761511
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20-09-2018, 23:19
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
Wi-Fi issue , network issue , server overload issue at that time many possible answers without more info impossible to say.
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20-09-2018, 23:24
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
Haha. It’s impossible to say, of course it is.
So we can safely say the content providers have no interest, because it affects their own ability to monetise their own content. The rival platforms, who are also content providers, couldn’t match it in their own IP infrastructure at this time.
Of course it could “easily be ironed out” - which is why Liberty have agreements (I think) in ten of twelve European markets but not the UK. I wonder what qualities the UK television market has that the ten don’t?
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20-09-2018, 23:29
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
Time will tell , I'll happily admit I'm wrong (won't be the first time) if cloud recording doesn't appear in the UK at some point.
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20-09-2018, 23:37
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
Given an infinite amount of time it’s inevitable- the non-cable IP infrastructure and compression technology will sufficiently evolve.
However we will be at the back of the queue for a number of structural reasons in the market.
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21-09-2018, 00:10
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
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21-09-2018, 02:39
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...ng=fr&mux=C072
Given the variation in bitrate on this frequency I’d hazard a guess this is the hidden Gold HD testing in the background, on a frequency we’ve known for some time could support a sixth HD channel (indeed, others have seven).
I’m curious what “reconfiguration” could have caused this delay, on a frequency we have always known could have carried a sixth channel.
I’m happy to take this as evidence supporting that it was entirely contractual, and that there’s plenty of bandwidth out there for new channels as and when Virgin see fit.
Liberty Global are also committed to upgrading its European networks to 1Ghz, with the Superhub 3 supporting downstream in the 860Mhz to 1Ghz range.
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21-09-2018, 10:49
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
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Originally Posted by jfman
Of course there’s a reason.
Why would say, BBC, ITV, Channel 4 who are planning a “Netflix rival” allow the cable operator to store five years worth of content?
Of course they could slap a high price on it, however given the “price rises” thread would the customer base pay more for it? Unlikely.
Similarly Sky and BT, who would struggle to offer a comparable service without impacting broadband speeds, would have no real incentive to make their content available.
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Or you could look at it another way. Why not accept a VM deal to pay for their customers to access that content rather than allow them to record it for free?
Given that people will record programmes anyway, and provided you can only record (or should I say 'bookmark') the programmes from the EPG, I don't think that such an arrangement would affect audience figures for programmes repeated at a later date or uploaded to a streaming service. It's just a different way of recording, after all.
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So there’s no incentive that you can quantify for the content providers I listed to allow Virgin to offer this service?
Sky and BT couldn’t easily replicate this kind of service on their platforms having significant impact on their non-fibre domestic internet speeds. They’d need to migrate everyone to fibre first.
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There is. Instead of allowing people to record for free, charge Virgin to make the facility available. That is part of the monetisation you were referring to earlier.
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21-09-2018, 15:38
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
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Or you could look at it another way. Why not accept a VM deal to pay for their customers to access that content rather than allow them to record it for free?
Given that people will record programmes anyway, and provided you can only record (or should I say 'bookmark') the programmes from the EPG, I don't think that such an arrangement would affect audience figures for programmes repeated at a later date or uploaded to a streaming service. It's just a different way of recording, after all.
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There is. Instead of allowing people to record for free, charge Virgin to make the facility available. That is part of the monetisation you were referring to earlier.
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Giving users the ability to record/bookmark to the cloud would, in the five year example, have huge negative implications for BBC/ITV etc. Right now I’d have to decide if something was in the top 500 hours (HD) of content I wish to retain. I’d also be committed to retaining that single STB, with it’s failure or if I choose to upgrade I would lose out.
If the cloud was set up with everyone sharing the same source recordings the amount a user could retain would be virtually infinite.
If a user could go back and say, rewatch the whole of Line of Duty or Broadchurch, in my view it’d impact on the resale rights by those production companies or the success of any future “Netflix style” operation they have planned.
If there was any reasonable chance of this launching here I believe we’d have it by now or be in very advanced development. Liberty already have nearly 2m STBs out there.
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21-09-2018, 18:08
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
Too much money to be made (including for the actors) in re-runs and sales to other markets.
Keeping "everything" on the cloud, free to access by customers, would destroy that model.
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21-09-2018, 18:31
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
The 'available to play' should be based on your download speed.
It does some calculation to ensure you can't start playing it until it knows you will not catch up with how far it has downloaded.
I find UHD series (up to one hour) are available in a few second.
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Originally Posted by jfman
You fail to elaborate how these rights issues are “ironed out” when you can’t even state what benefits there are to these broadcasters to engage with such a platform?
My experience of Sky Q it takes minutes to get HD to be playable.
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21-09-2018, 18:47
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Too much money to be made (including for the actors) in re-runs and sales to other markets.
Keeping "everything" on the cloud, free to access by customers, would destroy that model.
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No, it would not, provided there was a time limit. As I said earlier, it's just another method of recording.
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Originally Posted by jfman
Giving users the ability to record/bookmark to the cloud would, in the five year example, have huge negative implications for BBC/ITV etc. Right now I’d have to decide if something was in the top 500 hours (HD) of content I wish to retain. I’d also be committed to retaining that single STB, with it’s failure or if I choose to upgrade I would lose out.
If the cloud was set up with everyone sharing the same source recordings the amount a user could retain would be virtually infinite.
If a user could go back and say, rewatch the whole of Line of Duty or Broadchurch, in my view it’d impact on the resale rights by those production companies or the success of any future “Netflix style” operation they have planned.
If there was any reasonable chance of this launching here I believe we’d have it by now or be in very advanced development. Liberty already have nearly 2m STBs out there.
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Well, the 5-year limit already applies elsewhere. There's a limit to how much you can actually watch, anyway!
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21-09-2018, 18:52
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
So the whole point would be to inhibit the service, restricting recordings to a few months, why not restrict the capacity to something like 1TB as well?
Might as well keep a V6 as is.
As I’ve said structural issues in the UK market mean we are unlikely to see it, despite Liberty rolling it out elsewhere in Europe where it doesn’t have the same issues.
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21-09-2018, 19:50
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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)
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Originally Posted by jfman
So the whole point would be to inhibit the service, restricting recordings to a few months, why not restrict the capacity to something like 1TB as well?
Might as well keep a V6 as is.
As I’ve said structural issues in the UK market mean we are unlikely to see it, despite Liberty rolling it out elsewhere in Europe where it doesn’t have the same issues.
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I never said restricted to a few months, and I have pointed out that elsewhere in Europe it is five years.
Two years would be good, I think, but one year would be too restrictive. About half of my recordings are one to two years old. If we had cloud recordings, what would be the difference to broadcasters?
I think you are seeing obstacles where there are none.
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