Black Lives Matter

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Perhaps it's time for everyone to step up and challenge those who express racist views.Not letting family members get away with racist remarks is a start.

In many cases that'd unlikely to succeed. You don't look far to see how the genuine concerns of the black community are immediately dismissed.

The opening post, immediately sought to downplay many of the issues they face as irrelevant. Others have sought to establish - as fact - that many issues faced by the BAME community simply do not exist.

Tens of thousands didn't wake up this morning and take to the streets for a laugh, because they believe they have equal opportunity but fancied a day out. Anthony Joshua the world heavyweight champion in boxing - joined the protests.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ok so the same question to both you and Pierre.

If a large amount of black youths are carrying knives. High levels of black on black crime. Why is this?

Massive question, lots of socio-economic and other things at play, but that is not the police’s problem.

If, for whatever reason, more black young men carry and are willing to use knives, then the police are obliged to address that.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Here’s my point, I don’t believe that black people are genetically predisposed to commit crime more than white, Asian or any other ethnicity.

Of course they’re not.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Massive question, lots of socio-economic and other things at play, but that is not the police’s problem.

If, for whatever reason, more black young men carry and are willing to use knives, then the police are obliged to address that.

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Of course they’re not.

I’m not for one minute suggesting that the police shouldn’t address it. And you’re right it is a massive question. But it’s a just one massive question in a series of massive questions that needs to be answered.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52892949

Some food for thought here.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Massive question, lots of socio-economic and other things at play, but that is not the police’s problem.

If, for whatever reason, more black young men carry and are willing to use knives, then the police are obliged to address that.[COLOR="Silver"]

The police are obliged to address crime in an even handed and fair manner. Not disproportionately target people based on a racial profile.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I’m not for one minute suggesting that the police shouldn’t address it.

But you are/were suggesting that the police are not addressing it fairly, disproportionately stopping and searching the black community more than any other group.

But if that group are more of a risk than others, you accept it is right to target them?

Originally Posted by jfman

The opening post, immediately sought to downplay many of the issues they face as irrelevant.

No, it didnt.
You just like to argue about everything, as this topic [like many others] is already showing.

Originally Posted by jfman

Tens of thousands didn't wake up this morning and take to the streets for a laugh, because they believe they have equal opportunity but fancied a day out.

Indeed, they obviously decided the current laws of the land, and especially social distancing, dont apply to them, and that potentially catching or spreading CV19 is a great idea.

Originally Posted by jfman

Anthony Joshua the world heavyweight champion in boxing - joined the protests.

Who ? So ? Obviously another fool who will no doubt be complaining if/when he gets ill.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

Indeed, they obviously decided the current laws of the land, and especially social distancing, dont apply to them, and that potentially catching or spreading CV19 is a great idea.

They've probably felt that if enough people turn up, the chances of them being charged are close to zero, not that the laws of the land don't apply to them. But they are being reckless in my eyes and undermine the sacrifices that everyone especially key workers has made to date.
I don't believe there's any evidence to support the theory that they believe catching or spreading it is a good idea. They probably feel it's a risk worth taking to apply pressure at a timely moment.

Well thats ok then, we can all go back to normal, and forget about the lockdown, as long as we feel its a risk worth taking.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Perhaps it's time for everyone to step up and challenge those who express racist views.Not letting family members get away with racist remarks is a start.

l remember my first strong experience of racism was when l was about 13 years old and it was a New Years celebration at home and quite a few were there including the parents friends and a few acquaintances.

One of my families acquaintances passed some comments using racist language towards my younger brother and l.

My Dad and several of my older brothers were not happy as one can imagine and called him out over this and told him to get out straight away which he did and that was that.

Has racism gone away and the answer to that is quite clearly no , has societys intolerence to any forms of racism got better and the answer to that is yes.

Will we will having this conversation in 40 years and the answer is yes.

Remember quite a lot of racism is disguised and subtle rather than being public or obvious.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by denphone

l remember my first strong experience of racism was when l was about 13 years old and it was a New Years celebration at home and quite a few were there including the parents friends and a few acquaintances.

One of my families acquaintances passed some comments using racist language towards my younger brother and l.

My Dad and several of my older brothers were not happy as one can imagine and called him out over this and told him to get out straight away which he did and that was that.

Has racism gone away and the answer to that is quite clearly no , has societys intolerence to any forms of racism got better and the answer to that is yes.

Will we will having this conversation in 40 years and the answer is yes.

Remember quite a lot of racism is disguised and subtle rather than being public or obvious.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting racism is gone, it never will be.

But BLM was a slogan/movement set up in the US directly because of black people being killed by the police.

That doesn’t transpose to over here.

If they were to protest about gang culture and the amount of black people being stabbed every week, well I’d get my placard and join them........but they’re not.

Originally Posted by jfman

In many cases that'd unlikely to succeed. You don't look far to see how the genuine concerns of the black community are immediately dismissed.

The opening post, immediately sought to downplay many of the issues they face as irrelevant. Others have sought to establish - as fact - that many issues faced by the BAME community simply do not exist.

Tens of thousands didn't wake up this morning and take to the streets for a laugh, because they believe they have equal opportunity but fancied a day out. Anthony Joshua the world heavyweight champion in boxing - joined the protests.

So starting at home doesn't work for you? So lets just forget self responsibility shall we. If we don't educate our families as a start how can it begin?

I'll also remind you that children are not born racist,they are taught to be so..if we educate the young to avoid it then it becomes easier to face it down in the playground,the street,the borough,the town,the city. If it was a subject that white people weren't afraid to confront in the past perhaps we would be at a stage where we didn't need to be confronting it now.

I have never forgotten the conversation I had in a London Primary school playground in 1959. Asked where I had come from I innocently answered Nigeria. The next question was "Why aren't you black then?" Ignorance is something to be educated against..as that idiot found out.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I don’t think anyone is suggesting racism is gone, it never will be.

But BLM was a slogan/movement set up in the US directly because of black people being killed by the police.

That doesn’t transpose to over here.

If they were to protest about gang culture and the amount of black people being stabbed every week, well I’d get my placard and join them........but they’re not.

Black communities live in the worst areas for resources and education..that's what needs addressing.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

Well thats ok then, we can all go back to normal, and forget about the lockdown, as long as we feel its a risk worth taking.

It's not ok and I condemned it in the same post. I have a bit of form here as I also condemned the actions of a famous transgressor who should have gone to Specsavers.

You and I weren't there yesterday but Sky News was and subsequently reported the following.

The protesters I spoke to said they were more than aware of the potential risks of crowding into the streets around Westminster, but it was a risk they were prepared to take.
The message, they said, was just too important to stay at home.
Around Parliament Square, there was absolutely no chance anyone could effectively socially distance themselves from one and another.
Protesters were shoulder to shoulder, but most did at least have masks on.

https://news.sky.com/story/george-fl...s-out-12002036

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Maggy

So starting at home doesn't work for you? So lets just forget self responsibility shall we. If we don't educate our families as a start how can it begin?

I'll also remind you that children are not born racist,they are taught to be so..if we educate the young to avoid it then it becomes easier to face it down in the playground,the street,the borough,the town,the city. If it was a subject that white people weren't afraid to confront in the past perhaps we would be at a stage where we didn't need to be confronting it now.

I have never forgotten the conversation I had in a London Primary school playground in 1959. Asked where I had come from I innocently answered Nigeria. The next question was "Why aren't you black then?" Ignorance is something to be educated against..as that idiot found out.
Black communities live in the worst areas for resources and education..that's what needs addressing.

I didn’t say it didn’t work for me, I said it’d be unlikely to succeed. Unfortunately many of these things are entrenched in generations, even before I was born. Political parties, across the world, enjoy “othering” as a cheap way to appeal to the majority of the population by arousing suspicion against minorities and appealing to cheap, often evidence lacking, stereotypes.

In the absence of it succeeding all you can do is hope that over time future generations become enlightened. The same way the societal norms of the 1800s, 1900s and 2000s are vastly different on a range of issues e.g. religion, role of women, sexuality, gender, etc. You are unlikely to convince someone who became an entrenched racist in the 1960s that all their lives they’ve been wrong. Their entire mindset is driven by the idea that minorities either shouldn’t be here or should be grateful that they are and not complain about it.

[Carth]

What's the difference between 'racism' and 'hate crime'?

Is one of them simply to do with skin colour?

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Carth

What's the difference between 'racism' and 'hate crime'?

Is one of them simply to do with skin colour?

Racism is a broad concept. Hate crime is a (recent) specific legal concept relating to regular crimes getting recategorised based on the motivation behind the crime.