General : Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)

[Inactive Digital]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Recording in the cloud: You choose what is recorded
On Demand: Someone else does.

(Actually that isn't really true. On Demand content is generally provided completely separately from the broadcast, often in advance, and may be a different edit)

Is there a technical difference to how cloud recordings and on demand are delivered to set top boxes? Fast forwarding​ a hard disk recording is a very different experience to fast forwarding on demand for example. Would cloud recordings have the same fast forward experience as on demand currently does, for example?

[Raider999]

Originally Posted by Inactive Digital

Is there a technical difference to how cloud recordings and on demand are delivered to set top boxes? Fast forwarding​ a hard disk recording is a very different experience to fast forwarding on demand for example. Would cloud recordings have the same fast forward experience as on demand currently does, for example?

I would say your guess is as good as mine at this stage. It is certainly a development which will be needed when you bear in mind a single football/rugby match in UHD takes 5% of the miserly disk space on a V6.

As some have previously stated, this may be why the idea of V6 boxes with larger disks was binned.

[muppetman11]

Cloud DVR has many benefits for both provider and consumer over time I'm sure the rights will get ironed out.

[Media Boy UK]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Cloud DVR has many benefits for both provider and consumer over time I'm sure the rights will get ironed out.

I will never use anything with an "Cloud" in it. I hear the media saying bad things about "Cloud".

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Media Boy

I will never use anything with an "Cloud" in it. I hear the media saying bad things about "Cloud".

You probably use the cloud daily in one way or another.

[RobboEdin]

Originally Posted by Raider999

.....when you bear in mind a single football/rugby match in UHD takes 5% of the miserly disk space on a V6.

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I disagree with your figures.
In my experience an hour of UHD recording is between 8 and 10 GB.
Say a football match is two hours and assuming the higher figure, that makes 20 GB or 2% of a 1 TB V6.

[jfman]

BT Sport 4K is broadcasting at fixed bitrate 27.1Mb/sec or 3.38 MB/sec. A two hour broadcast would be 24.34 gigabytes.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Cloud DVR has many benefits for both provider and consumer over time I'm sure the rights will get ironed out.

Explain the benefits of Virgin deploying this for each of the following content providers:

BBC
ITV
Channel 4
Sky
BT

I’m personally at a loss. The first three are seeking to more control over their content, the final two are rival platforms that couldn’t easily replicate the service.

[RobboEdin]

Originally Posted by jfman

BT Sport 4K is broadcasting at fixed bitrate 27.1Mb/sec or 3.38 MB/sec. A two hour broadcast would be 24.34 gigabytes.

Thanks for confirming that.
My figures were from the new UHD channel on 999 as reported directly via the TiVo software on the V6.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by jfman

BT Sport 4K is broadcasting at fixed bitrate 27.1Mb/sec or 3.38 MB/sec. A two hour broadcast would be 24.34 gigabytes.

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Explain the benefits of Virgin deploying this for each of the following content providers:

BBC
ITV
Channel 4
Sky
BT

I’m personally at a loss. The first three are seeking to more control over their content, the final two are rival platforms that couldn’t easily replicate the service.

I said provider not terrestrial broadcaster , I meant Virgin , Sky , BT etc.

Couldn't replicate what please elaborate ?

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Inactive Digital

Is there a technical difference to how cloud recordings and on demand are delivered to set top boxes? Fast forwarding​ a hard disk recording is a very different experience to fast forwarding on demand for example. Would cloud recordings have the same fast forward experience as on demand currently does, for example?

It depends how it's implemented. Fast-forward of a local disk recording works by reading the data faster, and possibly skipping some of it. VOD fast-foward is done by switching to a completely separate stream that is already encoded at the faster speed. Also VOD has a network delay, which can impact the response time.

Originally Posted by Media Boy

I will never use anything with an "Cloud" in it.

You are doing, right now.

Originally Posted by Media Boy

I hear the media saying bad things about "Cloud".

Every cloud has a silver lining.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

I said provider not terrestrial broadcaster , I meant Virgin , Sky , BT etc.

Couldn't replicate what please elaborate ?

So there’s no incentive that you can quantify for the content providers I listed to allow Virgin to offer this service?

Sky and BT couldn’t easily replicate this kind of service on their platforms having significant impact on their non-fibre domestic internet speeds. They’d need to migrate everyone to fibre first.

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Originally Posted by RobboEdin

Thanks for confirming that.
My figures were from the new UHD channel on 999 as reported directly via the TiVo software on the V6.

That channel appears to be a variable bitrate averaging slightly less than BT, in line with the figures you reported.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by jfman

So there’s no incentive that you can quantify for the content providers I listed to allow Virgin to offer this service?

Sky and BT couldn’t easily replicate this kind of service on their platforms having significant impact on their non-fibre domestic internet speeds. They’d need to migrate everyone to fibre first.

Sky already delivers HD and UHD On Demand content now what's the difference , I'm pretty sure BT do as well granted their range is more limited than that of Sky.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Sky already delivers HD and UHD On Demand content now what's the difference , I'm pretty sure BT do as well granted their range is more limited than that of Sky.

Can you get UHD to stream on their non-fibre product? Or do you have to download it overnight? In my experience with Sky fibre even HD required a five minute lead in as if downloaded a buffer.


I see you ignore my other point.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by jfman

Can you get UHD to stream on their non-fibre product? Or do you have to download it overnight?

I see you ignore my other point.

Sky On Demand uses progressive download so yes works with ADSL connections however as expected on really slow connections UHD can take longer than the several seconds it takes to become available on fibre.

As for your other point I never mentioned broadcasters I said there was benefits for providers such as Virgin and Sky as well as consumers , if you read I did say there are rights issues that would have to be ironed out.

[jfman]

You fail to elaborate how these rights issues are “ironed out” when you can’t even state what benefits there are to these broadcasters to engage with such a platform?

My experience of Sky Q it takes minutes to get HD to be playable.