Government & Post Election Discussion - Page 128

Mr K · 02-05-2019, 18:05

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Whoever did leak, did right thing to bring the Huawei deal we’ve supposedly done in to public domain, who can honestly sit here and be comfortable with the concept of a private Chinese company, in which China’s government has its hand in, setting up the future 5G network in this country?

It’s like asking Russia to provide us with a super fast email service.

Yeah, but them Huaweis are great phones, they know what they are doing them Chinese.
Who knows how much spying those Apple products are doing ? (not on me as I'm a cheapskate

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I would call him innocent until proven guilty.

Bit like Hillary Clinton then ?

**Mick** · 02-05-2019, 18:09

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Bit like Hillary Clinton then ?

Nah, she's definitely Crooked. (And we aren't discussing her any further in this thread btw).

1andrew1 · 02-05-2019, 21:29

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I would call him innocent until proven guilty.

The Government's investigation found him guilty.

Mr K · 02-05-2019, 21:51

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The Government's investigation found him guilty.

'Compelling Evidence' were the words which sounds like the equivalent of 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Lets face it the Govt. wouldn't create this mess for themselves if there was no other option.

Bit silly TM saying 'thats the end of the matter'. Bet she wishes it was, but that's up to the police/CPS, not her.

**Mick** · 03-05-2019, 00:21

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The Government's investigation found him guilty.

And you trust this governments word all of a sudden?

denphone · 03-05-2019, 04:29

Major parties hit as voters turn to Lib Dems and independents in the local elections.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...131095/page/13

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48091592

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The Guardian and the BBC’s live results are both reporting losses for Labour and the Conservatives (as is Sky), though their tallies vary a little.

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The BBC’s latest tally with 71 of 248 councils declared has the changes as: Conservatives -169, Labour -57, Lib Dems +115, Ukip -25, Green +18, others +118.

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Anger over Brexit is being cited as one of the reasons for voters punishing the major parties.

**Damien** · 03-05-2019, 06:12

Great night for the Liberals, Greens and Independents. Bad for everyone else pretty much.

denphone · 03-05-2019, 06:20

Some initial thoughts by Professor Sir John Curtice.

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It looks as though the key message from the voters to the Conservatives and Labour is "a plague on both of your houses", as both of them find themselves losing both votes and seats on an extensive basis.

Even though the Labour Party is defending a relatively poor result in 2015, the party is not doing even as well as it did then.

So far the party has made a net loss of nearly 80 seats, while its vote is down on average by one point compared with 2015 in a collection of wards where the BBC has been collecting the detailed results, and by seven points as compared with last year's local election results.

The party lost control of Bolsover, Wirral, and Hartlepool... with only the capture of Trafford in compensation.

Meanwhile, although the results for the Conservatives so far are perhaps not as bad as they might have feared, their vote is down on average by six points compared with 2015

Mr K · 03-05-2019, 06:48

Big gains for the pro Remain Lib Dems, what does that tell us ? Answers on a postcard ......

denphone · 03-05-2019, 06:52

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Big gains for the pro Remain Lib Dems, what does that tell us ? Answers on a postcard ......

You are the expert Mr K!! so you tell us.?..

**Mick** · 03-05-2019, 07:03

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Big gains for the pro Remain Lib Dems, what does that tell us ? Answers on a postcard ......

Dream on. Extremely low turnout saw Labour support drop, and with the Tories. We’re talking local elections here, which was said were not about Brexit. Labour lost a ton of seats in key leave areas, with local Labour council leaders blaming Labour for their Pro-2nd Referendum stance. So what’s that tell you?

Had Brexit Party contested, we’d have seen them wipe out the two Mainstream Parties. Bring on European Elections.

denphone · 03-05-2019, 07:10

With just 108 out of 248 councils having declared so far here are the latest numbers.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...councils#cards

Mr K · 03-05-2019, 07:21

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Dream on. Extremely low turnout saw Labour support drop, and with the Tories. We’re talking local elections here, which was said were not about Brexit. Labour lost a ton of seats in key leave areas, with local Labour council leaders blaming Labour for their Pro-2nd Referendum stance. So what’s that tell you?

Had Brexit Party contested, we’d have seen them wipe out the two Mainstream Parties. Bring on European Elections.

Yes thank goodness we've still got the EU so we can have those elections !

Turnout was virtually the same as all local elections. Question is where did the Labour voters go - the Remain LibDems. May give Labour pause for thought.

**Damien** · 03-05-2019, 07:23

Yeah the turnout not dropping much from the normal local voter turnout was a surprise

**Mick** · 03-05-2019, 07:38

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Yes thank goodness we've still got the EU so we can have those elections !

Turnout was virtually the same as all local elections. Question is where did the Labour voters go - the Remain LibDems. May give Labour pause for thought.

The corrupted EU will be sent a clear message when Brexit Party will be standing.

Stop getting your little hopes up. Both Tories and Labour Parties sent a clear message tonight, they got punished for their failure to get on with Brexit. There just was not any fresh choice to vote for anyone else.