24-10-2018, 09:39
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Re: Brexit
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24-10-2018, 10:54
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Sorry, must have missed that, Den
When is a customs union not a customs union?
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When it's part of a Brino deal.
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24-10-2018, 10:57
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Interesting that the EU are now offering a Customs Union, rather than the Customs Union. Enough for the Brexiteers to save face, and keep TMs promise of not being in the Customs Union ? .
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Way back in February, I posted;
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Well that’s where a customs union but obviously not ‘the’ customs union comes in.
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24-10-2018, 11:02
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Re: Brexit
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Your point?
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24-10-2018, 12:09
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A shocked cabinet was today told no-deal Brexit may force government to own or operate lorry ferries, because freight through Dover and Channel Tunnel could fall 85% and we’d run out of vital goods, food and medicine
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24-10-2018, 12:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Dave42
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A shocked cabinet was today told no-deal Brexit may force government to own or operate lorry ferries, because freight through Dover and Channel Tunnel could fall 85% and we’d run out of vital goods, food and medicine
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Wonderful - what's this now - project fear, version 2.5... ?
Version 3.0 expected soon - with more dramatic updates to follow in 3.1, 3.2...
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24-10-2018, 12:19
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
Wonderful - what's this now - project fear, version 2.5... ?
Version 3.0 expected soon - with more dramatic updates to follow in 3.1, 3.2...
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project FACT
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24-10-2018, 12:21
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Dave42
project FACT
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It's BULLSHIT!!!
Stop being so bloody gullible in believing first hand every bit of negative crap because it suits your negative Anti-Brexit agenda.
It's like we never managed to live prior to ever joining this corrupted block back in the 70's.
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24-10-2018, 12:44
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
It's like we never managed to live prior to ever joining this corrupted block back in the 70's.
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It's not the 1970s anymore and even when it was they didn't have to suddenly replace decades worth of legislation, international agreements and infrastructure in just two years. Two years in which we've largely not been doing anything to prepare for it anyway.
I don't know what's going to happen in the event of a no deal. I suspect it won't be allowed to happen and we'll fall back to a 'transition' period where we're stuck in limbo until actual agreements are made. However many of the things we take for granted are backed by treaties and agreements so advocating we leave them without replacements would, in theory, mean those things are disrupted.
There seems to be a belief that all the EU is are the people sitting in Brussels and everything will just continue as normal for life here only with fewer Brits amongst those people. If we don't have any agreements to replace those we're leaving then that delusion will be shattered come 29th March.
By the way for all the talk about how it'll be fine, this is all Project Fear, prominent advocators of Brexit know this. UKIP may think a No Deal is fine but they're making damn sure their pensions and entitlements in the EU will have a deal. Dyson might talk about how Britain doesn't need the EU for manufacturing but when it comes to actual investment and money then Singapore, with it's EU agreements, seems to be where his company will produce cars. Nigel Lawson may want Britain out of the EU but he is applying for a French passport so that he can remain an EU citizen. The people who are calling this all Project Fear are making sure they're prepared.
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24-10-2018, 12:51
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
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Originally Posted by Stuart
First, it actually isn't undemocratic. We don't directly vote for it, but then we don't directly vote for anyone in the cabinet. In the case of our government, it's picked by the party with the greatest number of seats. In the case of the EU, the decisions are made by a group that is not directly elected, but then implemented by the (in theory) elected governments of each member. So, the people who are telling you that the EU is bad because of all these awful restrictions we have are the ones choosing to implement those restrictions. [SEPH]: That is an upside down, inside out, poorly thought through argument. All of the UK government are elected MPs and accountable to their electors. None of the European Commission are elected by anyone and thus not accountable except to the extent that they follow exactly what the policy set by the European Council is. Your final sentence above makes little sense, I'm afraid.
As for hegemonist. Odd that you should say that when we, a relatively small nation, managed to create a huge empire. The ultimate hegemony. [SEPH]: What the hell has that irrelevance got to do with the situation today? Are you short of good argument?
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I'm not short of a good argument. I was referring to the Empire, which a lot of brexiters appear to think we are heading back to. You appear to have missed that subtle point. As for my sentence about the powers of the EU, I thought that was self evident. The government, under the tory party, chose to implement the directives of the EU. In a lot of cases, the very same MPs who are now saying that we are under the control of the EU are those who chose to implement the EU directives they are now complaining about. The EC may not be voted for, but it's left up to the elected members controlling the various nations within the EU to implement those directives.
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24-10-2018, 13:00
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by ianch99
That makes the Queen a hegemonist*
* Of German descent with an interest in topiary
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*cough* name dropping *cough*
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For all that, it gets me 4/5 of 5/8 of diddly squat. But it’s well to let them know at first hand what the grass roots think of their stupidity.
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I'm not short of a good argument. I was referring to the Empire, which a lot of brexiters appear to think we are heading back to. You appear to have missed that subtle point. As for my sentence about the powers of the EU, I thought that was self evident. The government, under the tory party, chose to implement the directives of the EU. In a lot of cases, the very same MPs who are now saying that we are under the control of the EU are those who chose to implement the EU directives they are now complaining about. The EC may not be voted for, but it's left up to the elected members controlling the various nations within the EU to implement those directives.
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The erstwhile empire has nothing to do with Brexit. It’s totally fanciful to say that a lot of Brexiters think they are heading back to that. To that extent certainly you are short of good argument.
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24-10-2018, 13:22
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Re: Brexit
Best Brexit plan ever:
https://twitter.com/HowlandRobin/sta...48022936166401
- Depose May
- Offer EU FTA, no money > EU reject
- Nothing to vote on in Parl't
- UK leave on WTO terms
- EU realise they need an FTA with UK to
compensate for hole in their budget
- Agree FTA
Ref honoured, UK extricated & free to implement trade deals with RoW.
Done.
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24-10-2018, 13:25
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Dave42
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Please do not use the four-letter F-word with Brexiters.
They have been trained by social media to read it as "Project Fear".
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24-10-2018, 13:37
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Re: Brexit
How would a FTA compensate for a whole in the EU budget?
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24-10-2018, 13:50
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Please do not use the four-letter F-word with Brexiters.
They have been trained by social media to read it as "Project Fear".
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Wow, such a divisive post.
Not helpful Andrew in the slightest - so I suggest you pack it in. I will not stand for direct attacks on people or a group of people, especially if it is aimed in my direction, right under my own eyes.
It stops right now!!!
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