Coronavirus - Page 31

**Paul** · 10-12-2021, 21:34

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The number of beds has fallen from 299,000 in 1987/88 to 142,000 in 2016/17

I came across this ;

papa smurf · 11-12-2021, 09:33

Vast majority of Britons have NO PROTECTION against Omicron:

After 100 days two AstraZeneca doses offer virtually zero defence while two Pfizer jabs provide just 37% protection against new variant

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-Omicron.html

mrmistoffelees · 11-12-2021, 09:41

Misleading reporting (quelle surprise)

The nearly no protection refers to against symptomatic infection, both vaccines offer higher levels of protection against serious illness and death (as reported by sky news, however they didn’t provide specific numbers)

The 75% protection by booster is also for those initially double jabbed with Pfizer, for those (the majority) who were double jabbed with AstraZeneca it drops to 70%

pip08456 · 11-12-2021, 10:08

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Misleading reporting (quelle surprise)

The nearly no protection refers to against symptomatic infection, both vaccines offer higher levels of protection against serious illness and death (as reported by sky news, however they didn’t provide specific numbers)

The 75% protection by booster is also for those initially double jabbed with Pfizer, for those (the majority) who were double jabbed with AstraZeneca it drops to 70%

I see, just because it's the DM it's misleading reporting and you ,obviously didn't bother to read the report.

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And while Covid booster jabs have been shown to be effective against Omicron, there are concerns that the millions of people who are yet to get their third inoculation could be unprotected against symptoms of the virus without it. Officials stress two doses should still offer high protection against severe illness.

Government scientists compared 581 cases of Omicron in Britain with 56,000 of Delta to give preliminary estimates of how well vaccines protect against a variant with mutations that help it evade the body’s immune response.

They found that the mostly elderly people who had two doses of AstraZeneca several months ago had almost no protection against Omicron infection, and two Pfizer doses offered little more than 30 per cent.

But a third dose, if using Pfizer, can take protection levels back up to 71 per cent in those who had AstraZeneca the first time around and 76 per cent for those who had Pfizer.

Misleading? No. Clickbait headline? Yes.

mrmistoffelees · 11-12-2021, 10:10

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I see, just because it's the DM it's misleading reporting and you ,obviously didn't bother to read the report.

Misleading? No. Clickbait headline? Yes.

Not really Pip, as per my previous posts you’ll see I’ve called out all sides of the media for sensationalist reporting.

Nice try though, well, it wasn’t really but never mind.

To add

‘Clickbait is a text or a thumbnail link that is designed to attract attention and to entice users to follow that link and read, view, or listen to the linked piece of online content, being typically deceptive, sensationalized, or otherwise misleading. ‘

So you agree it’s misleading, enjoy your Saturday

Carth · 11-12-2021, 10:28

Crikey . . and all this time I thought 'clickbait' was a headline (or similar) to entice people onto a web page (or similar) so as to improve the 'viewing figures' of that page, in order to show the advertisers on that page that the money they laid out for the adverts was well worth it.

silly me, bugger all to do with advertising and money after all then

**Paul** · 11-12-2021, 15:42

Well ....

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While there is no universally agreed-upon definition of clickbait, Merriam-Webster defines clickbait as "something designed to make readers want to click on a hyperlink, especially when the link leads to content of dubious value or interest.

That "content of dubious value or interest" it is often on advert heavy pages.

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Also, this isnt really related to Coronavirus, so lets not wander off on another tangent.

papa smurf · 11-12-2021, 15:59

scientists warn variant could lead to MORE hospitalisations than last winter and kill up to 75,000

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ert-warns.html

They suggested the measures should be brought in as soon as Boxing Day to stem the tide of admissions and deaths and added that upping the booster rollout to the Government's 500,000 per day target will do little to reduce the toll.

Mad Max · 11-12-2021, 16:01

Project fear is in full swing.

mrmistoffelees · 11-12-2021, 17:25

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Project fear is in full swing.

Really ? How so ? As the article states thats their worst case scenario and even then they admit the modelling isn’t precise. They’re trying to give information as best as they possibly can & the issue is that information is going to fluctuate wildly as it’s constantly shifting sands.

It’s also only one of the modelling scenarios that has been requested.

Would you have them say nothing ?

Media Boy UK · 11-12-2021, 18:43

Base on the News - Scotland maybe in it 3rd Lockdown by Christmas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59617249

Mad Max · 11-12-2021, 20:27

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Really ? How so ? As the article states thats their worst case scenario and even then they admit the modelling isn’t precise. They’re trying to give information as best as they possibly can & the issue is that information is going to fluctuate wildly as it’s constantly shifting sands.

It’s also only one of the modelling scenarios that has been requested.

Would you have them say nothing ?

Yes, and let us get on with our lives.

mrmistoffelees · 11-12-2021, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

Yes, and let us get on with our lives.

Your thinking appears (at least currently) to be in the minority. Thankfully.

Media Boy UK · 11-12-2021, 20:40

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

Yes, and let us get on with our lives.

We are all going to die anyway.

Taf · 11-12-2021, 20:40

We are 4 adults in this home, and the only ones to have had a test so far is my wife prior to going into hospital for a day surgery, and our daughter who was advised by our GP to take one when she was feeling "a bit poorly".

We tend to stay home apart from the rare shopping trip or hospital clinic, and have no visitors or visit others. Such is life when 3-out-of-4 are considered "high risk" due to covid and flu. The twins get their boosters on Monday, so we'll all be fully inoculated.