Britain outside the EU

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

To pre-empt replies, demonstrating to Old Boy that the UK had an inflation rate problem before Russia invaded Ukraine and put fuel prices up, does not mean that other countries did not have inflation rate problems too.

Indeed, Old Boy is clearly incorrect as the above shows. But, yes we sleepwalked into an inflationary crisis because Western central banks printed money to enable spending, because they all thought it was great idea to shut down Western economies for a very survivable respiratory illness.

Welcome to your lockdown reward.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes it could, if there had not been Brexit saboteurs in the ranks. Problem with Remainiacs (A Remainiac is a vote remainer, who has never accepted the result and follows a ridiculous cult like belief that the result was due to lies, despite there being several democratic exercises that showed, the country wanted Brexit) that they desperately want it to fail, so we can rejoin a corrupted EU. The EU have not played ball at all. Punishing a country to dare leave its midst.

I still do not regret my vote to leave 6 years ago today. I was not lied to, or deceived and would still vote leave again and again. We have the democratic right to self determination. I was always prepared to accept any economic pain for our right to be an independent self governing nation. We are still coming through the economic pain of a global pandemic, but there is no doubt the naysayers and anti democratic folk want failure to validate their justification to be part of the EU.

The result was due to lies, the fact we're here talking about it proves it, where are the sunlit uplands, where is the German car industry not standing for it, what's happened to the fishermen and farmers who were promised the earth and now don't have jobs or businesses, I'm no remaniac as I don't want us going back in after all this but at the same time I want the people responsible to be held account, Where's the 40 million Turks that were on their way here, they get lost or something and the government was given such a democratic mandate to get this sorted, Where's the oven ready deal, instead all we're getting is it's the EUs fault because we never expected then to sign the deal, wtf what sort of reckless incompetent cretin would take a chance like that, we're only going to break international law in a limited way, wtf it's still breaking it cretin, that victorian hat stand has spent months looking for a brexit dividend and got so desperate he resorted to asking The Sun readers for their's but he made sure he got his dividend by opening up an office in the EU.

You might have been prepared for economic pain but how many of the 52% were, they were promised no pain, they were only promised better and this is not better

Originally Posted by Pierre

Indeed, Old Boy is clearly incorrect as the above shows. But, yes we sleepwalked into an inflationary crisis because Western central banks printed money to enable spending, because they all thought it was great idea to shut down Western economies for a very survivable respiratory illness.

Welcome to your lockdown reward.

I know you probably posted this to get a reaction, but I’m pretty sure the 180,000 (and their families and friends) who didn’t survive this "survivable respiratory illness" may disagree with your definition of "survivable"…

Actual definition

survivable - (of an accident or injury) very serious but not causing death

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The result was due to lies, the fact we're here talking about it proves it, where are the sunlit uplands, where is the German car industry not standing for it, what's happened to the fishermen and farmers who were promised the earth and now don't have jobs or businesses, I'm no remaniac as I don't want us going back in after all this but at the same time I want the people responsible to be held account, Where's the 40 million Turks that were on their way here, they get lost or something and the government was given such a democratic mandate to get this sorted, Where's the oven ready deal, instead all we're getting is it's the EUs fault because we never expected then to sign the deal, wtf what sort of reckless incompetent cretin would take a chance like that, we're only going to break international law in a limited way, wtf it's still breaking it cretin, that victorian hat stand has spent months looking for a brexit dividend and got so desperate he resorted to asking The Sun readers for their's but he made sure he got his dividend by opening up an office in the EU.

You might have been prepared for economic pain but how many of the 52% were, they were promised no pain, they were only promised better and this is not better

exactly well said before election oven ready deal best deal since sliced bread soon after election is won worse deal we need to change it as it is EU's fault for sticking to the deal we signed

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The result was due to lies, the fact we're here talking about it proves it, where are the sunlit uplands, where is the German car industry not standing for it, what's happened to the fishermen and farmers who were promised the earth and now don't have jobs or businesses, I'm no remaniac as I don't want us going back in after all this but at the same time I want the people responsible to be held account, Where's the 40 million Turks that were on their way here, they get lost or something and the government was given such a democratic mandate to get this sorted, Where's the oven ready deal, instead all we're getting is it's the EUs fault because we never expected then to sign the deal, wtf what sort of reckless incompetent cretin would take a chance like that, we're only going to break international law in a limited way, wtf it's still breaking it cretin, that victorian hat stand has spent months looking for a brexit dividend and got so desperate he resorted to asking The Sun readers for their's but he made sure he got his dividend by opening up an office in the EU.

You might have been prepared for economic pain but how many of the 52% were, they were promised no pain, they were only promised better and this is not better

Originally Posted by Dave42

exactly well said before election oven ready deal best deal since sliced bread soon after election won worse deal we need to change it it EU's fault for sticking to the deal we signed

I think I've said more than once that Boza is just a snake oil salesman (in a posh suit probably paid for by someone else). Well I suppose we've ended up with what minority majority voted for and deserve all we get. One day things will change and it'll get better.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I think I've said more than once that Boza is just a snake oil salesman (in a posh suit probably paid for by someone else). Well I suppose we've ended up with what minority majority voted for and deserve all we get. One day things will change and it'll get better.

I hope that day is sooner rather than later In complete agreement with you, Dave42 and theDaddy.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I know you probably posted this to get a reaction, but I’m pretty sure the 180,000 (and their families and friends) who didn’t survive this "survivable respiratory illness" may disagree with your definition of "survivable"…

I didn’t but….just for the U.K……a disease that kills just 0.26% of the population over two years or so ……..is by any definition “survivable”………statistically.

I mean if a doctor said to me, “I’m afraid it’s bowel cancer - but the survival rate is 99.74% ……I’d take those odds……..I’d call that “survivable”.

So no, I didn’t post it to get a “reaction” and it’s very sad a lot people died….for a variety of reasons and mistakes…………but it doesn’t change the fact that COVID for the vast majority of the population was very much “survivable”.

My position on this, and lockdowns, I think you will agree has been consistent throughout.

[1andrew1]

Labour unveil plans to seek limited changes to Brexit deal

On the sixth anniversary of the Brexit referendum, the shadow foreign secretary, David Lammy, confirmed the party would seek only limited changes and would not seek to rejoin the single market.

Lammy pledged the party would seek to sign an agrifood agreement; to restore visa-free business travel for touring musicians and performers, and seek to improve haulage arrangements.

It would also seek to restore mutual recognition for professional qualifications such as accountants and architects, seal a deal on financial equivalence for the City of London and secure associate membership of the EU’s £80bn Horizon Europe science funding network, something the EU is delaying because of the row over the Northern Ireland protocol.

Without rejoining the single market or customs union, Labour’s approach amounts to a renegotiation of the trade deal which will come under regular review by both sides.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...8b21b49182dcb1

https://committees.parliament.uk/com...ustralia-deal/

Committee calls on Government to delay ratification of Australia deal

The International Trade Committee calls on the Government to delay the ratification of the UK’s trade deal with Australia to enable additional scrutiny of the agreement.

International agreements must be brought before Parliament under the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act, which gives MPs 21 sitting days to scrutinise the deal. Earlier this month, the Government triggered this process, despite previously committing there would be “sufficient time for relevant Select Committees to produce reports” beforehand.

In the first of two reports on the trade deal, the cross-party Committee of MPs concludes that, by failing to uphold this commitment, the Government has shown great discourtesy to Parliament.

The Committee calls on the Government to extend the 21-day period to give MPs more time to examine the advantages and disadvantages of the agreement. Should they fail to do so, the Committee recommends that MPs vote against ratification, which would extend the scrutiny period.

The report follows eight requests for the Secretary of State to agree a date to answer MPs’ questions on the deal. The Committee outlines that these delays have hampered its ability to conduct timely analysis, as it calls for the Secretary of State to commit to giving oral evidence on trade agreements before triggering the Parliamentary scrutiny period in future.

The MPs argue that any potential disadvantages of the deal could be overlooked or disregarded if the Government ratifies it too hastily. The Committee calls for MPs to be given the opportunity to debate the agreement – and vote on it – in the coming weeks.

The Committee also stresses the importance of being able to respond properly to the Government’s statutory ‘section 42 report’, which outlines how a trade agreement affects health, animal welfare and the environment. The MPs repeat their call for a guaranteed ‘window’ of 15 sitting days between the publication of this report and the triggering of the statutory scrutiny process. This would give the Committee time to take the Government’s report fully into account before publishing its own report on the agreement.

The Committee was due to question the Secretary of State for International Trade, Rt. Hon. Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP, on the UK-Australia free trade agreement at 10am on Wednesday 29 June but it was cancelled at short notice.

[nomadking]

I thought shortages of airport and other workers was down to Brexit.
When did Germany leave the EU?
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Germany is planning to launch a temporary foreign workers scheme to offset acute staff shortages at the country’s airports over the summer months, ministers have said.

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However, the shortages are particularly large in the health, social services, teaching and education sectors, as well as in the construction, architecture, engineering, surveying, and building services.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I thought shortages of airport and other workers was down to Brexit.
When did Germany leave the EU?
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Any point in a storm.

The global position following COVID, and now Russia Ukraine, is all over the shop. But it won’t stop the usual suspects trying to pin our ills on Brexit.

Brexit May, or may have not, helped our position but it is irrelevant. Brexit happened, trying to judge how things may have been different achieves nothing and means nothing. It is pretty much agreed we’re not going back in.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I thought shortages of airport and other workers was down to Brexit.
When did Germany leave the EU?
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It's possible for labour shortages to occur in different countries for different reasons.
It's good to see Germany trying to sort its airports problem out.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's possible for labour shortages to occur in different countries for different reasons.
It's good to see Germany trying to sort its airports problem out.

It has the whole of the EU to call upon, yet it still has to go outside the EU.
What about all the other shortages of workers that they have?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...8b21b49182dcb1

Simplistic at best

[1andrew1]

Good deal for EU know who!

Britain must pay EU £9.4bn this year as weak pound swells Brexit divorce bill

The bumper bill will still leave the UK with a massive £26.6 billion left to pay under the terms of the withdrawal deal, the Commission says.

It will swell the bloc’s coffers at a time when the UK and other European states are battling rising inflation and a cost of living crisis.

Brussels’s calculation for this year’s payment is almost £3 billion higher than that forecast by the Office for Budget Responsibility.

It had been expected the cost would rise because of the weakening of the pound against the euro, which the settlement is paid in.

The Treasury puts the final tally of the divorce bill at £35 billion to £39 billion, whilst the Commission has priced it slightly higher at £41 billion.

It was agreed in 2019 and covers money that the UK had already pledged to EU schemes as a member, plus the pensions of British officials.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...29031ab0c8d951