07-05-2008, 08:16
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#5911
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bristol
Services: Aquiss.net and loving it.
No more Virgin Media, no more Virgin Phone, no more Virgin Mobile.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Chroma
Im aware its scaremongering, but is that any worse than Phorm spin?
I figure if it gets even 3 people to look further into the matter then nope.
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Excellent posts to MSE - it isn't scaremongering IMHO. It would also be worth letting people on their know about the content theft angle, I'd guess some will be business owners (or investors in business that have a web site).
Also from the privacy policy on MSE "The information derived from use of cookies will be aggregated to provide statistical information about the usage of our site. However, we do not use any information derived from cookies, nor any IP addresses we collect, to identify any individual user of our site."
Whereas Phorm will impose a Phorged cookie to gather information specific to that user.
And of course - perhaps let Martin Lewis all his content will be used by Phorm to promote other web sites, and his consent is assumed.
Also from the T&Cs "You are allowed to use our content for personal, non-commercial use only". Which would mean people opting in to Phorm/Webwise and BT are clearly violating the terms of use, even if consent could be assumed
Pete.
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07-05-2008, 10:01
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#5913
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Inactive
Join Date: Feb 2004
Services: Finding people (retired)
Posts: 1,065
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by James_Firth
When did you first coin the phrase and how does it relate to whois on webspies.org.uk? - I've genuinely no idea where it came from but I registered it thus:
---------- Post added at 17:16 ---------- Previous post was at 17:15 ----------
Domain name:
webspies.org.uk
Registrant:
JD Firth
Registrant type:
UK Individual
Registrant's address:
The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their
address omitted from the WHOIS service.
Registrar:
GX Networks Ltd t/a 123-Reg.co.uk [Tag = 123-REG]
URL: http://www.123-reg.co.
Relevant dates:
Registered on: 04-Apr-2008
Renewal date: 04-Apr-2010
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I posted it HERE..
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07-05-2008, 10:16
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#5914
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Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Services: The wonders of Sky TV BT line and Aquiss.net ADSL cable dies on 5th RIP VM.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Had a reply from Amazon.
Quote:
Dear *****************
Greetings from Amazon.co.uk.
I have received a response from our legal department regarding your
concerns with Phorm. In relation to your specific questions, I
cannot comment on whether the use of Phorm or other devices by your
ISP breaches our Terms and Conditions as this would be a matter
between us and the relevant ISP.
You can be assured that we take the security and privacy of our
customers' information very seriously. We do not use Phorm's
services and will not communicate our customers' information to
Phorm or to Internet service providers.
We are however not in a position to control the software or other
devices used by your Internet service provider. If you are concerned
by the use of Phorm or other devices by your Internet service
provider we can only encourage you to contact your Internet service
provider directly to solve the issue.
I hope this has clarified the situation. As previously advised if
you require further assistance in relation to this issue please use
the following link to contact us again:
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Wonder what next I did take my concerns to my ISP and never had response then what arrived wasn't the type you expected so I moved to a phorm phree ISP..
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07-05-2008, 10:24
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#5915
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 10
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Good Morning PhormUKPRteam
Here’s a constructive suggestion. Why not persuade Kent to engineer in “dangerously addictive†to add to Phorm’s list of other undesirable, unwanted and unwelcome qualities? It worked for the tobacco industry!
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07-05-2008, 10:41
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#5916
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Inactive
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 29
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by NTLVictim
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Then you beat me to it by one day! I only started reading this thread a couple of weeks ago but you are welcome to the domain if you want it in recognition of your post. Just set up a 123-reg account and PM me and I'll transfer it to you for zippo.
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07-05-2008, 10:47
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#5917
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 128
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
There's a new post on the thinkbroadband forums: http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...b=5&o=0&fpart=
It's either tin hats time or VM are up to something very naughty.
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07-05-2008, 11:02
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#5918
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cf.addict
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 330
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Quote:
Originally Posted by warescouse
Most of us I am sure have been mentioning to friends the Phorm link up with ISP's and its illegal interception of data and attempt to make people aware, but is it just me or do any others find it difficult at times to talk to friends who are a little 'technophobic'.
Although we do our bit and complain to the powers that be that make high level decisions and can also make 'waves' I think that education of the masses is very important aspect of the campaign. I wonder if anybody has a 'good' but simple method that works I can use with most people and doesn't make the person delivering the educational sermon (myself) seem like a person with a fanatical cause. I think I bore myself also too easily at times
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Yes, I've noticed this too. Even on forums where people are 'in-the-know' and tech-friendly, some folk seem to think that "I'll block the ads then, thats easy enough, it won't be a problem for me" .. completely missing the point!! .. very frustrating ..
I think the best analogy to use is comparing Phorm to 'wire-tapping' .. people snooping on your phone listening to everything you say, that might shake people up a bit ..
Great news on the sticky by the way ..
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07-05-2008, 11:03
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#5919
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by jelv
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I can't be a member on there due to my ISPreview post can someone ask them to do a check on cookies for any from webwise or phorm plus a few tracerts to websites they visited. The information is needed to prove if VM are now doing secret trials without Informed consent.
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07-05-2008, 11:12
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#5920
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Inactive
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 265
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by jelv
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Can you Post this link on the Forum Above, I've already got too many Forums in my list.
https://www.grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm
This particular User or Malware may have enabled the Windows Messenger Service.
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07-05-2008, 11:14
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#5921
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 128
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florence
I can't be a member on there due to my ISPreview post can someone ask them to do a check on cookies for any from webwise or phorm plus a few tracerts to websites they visited. The information is needed to prove if VM are now doing secret trials without Informed consent.
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Done
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07-05-2008, 11:16
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#5922
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cf.addict
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 330
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Steve Gibson at grc.com is heavily into web security, I wonder what he thinks about all this?
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07-05-2008, 11:16
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#5923
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Inactive
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Posts: 128
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by SelfProtection
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Also done
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07-05-2008, 11:30
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#5924
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Inactive
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
How Google currently responds to suspected spyware;
http://sorry.google.com/sorry/
We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. ... if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover
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07-05-2008, 11:43
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#5925
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Inactive
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Posts: 4,004
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dephormation
How Google currently responds to suspected spyware;
http://sorry.google.com/sorry/
We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. ... if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover
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wonder if that is there way to protect the searches from phorm nice if it is.
Thank you jelv will monitor it for the replies.
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