Coronavirus (OLD)

Originally Posted by Mr K

He took back control, and fancied a day trip to Barnard Castle to see the bluebells/test his eyesight, on his wife's Birthday, in the middle of a pandemic...

This will be the last reference to Dominic Cummings in this thread as I had previously instructed. I have closed the other thread because of the repetitive pettiness on the subject of Mr Cummings, we will not be discussing him in this thread !!!

[ianch99]

Just saw this, made me laugh

TORY PARTY WITH A 12-POINT LEAD OVER LABOUR: stay at home, save lives

TORY PARTY WITH A 4-POINT LEAD OVER LABOUR: everything's fine, take nana to the races

Good night ..

Just seen this, Tories back up to 10 point lead.

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 45% (+1)
LAB: 35% (-3)

Via @YouGov, 29-30 May.
Changes w/ 25-26 May.

Made me laugh, harder.

They were at 20% at the start of the month though. It's is quite an impressive fall although that fall did start happening before Cummings.

[jfman]

Steady!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

They were at 20% at the start of the month though. It's is quite an impressive fall although that fall did start happening before Cummings.

As talked about earlier. Polling is pointless at most times, ven more so now. The next election is not until November 2024 (although they’ll probably move it to May)

So polls may be interesting to look at in around 3 years.

Originally Posted by Damien

They were at 20% at the start of the month though. It's is quite an impressive fall although that fall did start happening before Cummings.

They’re still higher than they were elected in Dec 19. Labour losing ground with a new leader and government that supposedly losing credibility over Covid19 response.

Originally Posted by Mick

They’re still higher than they were elected in Dec 19. Labour losing ground with a new leader and government that supposedly losing credibility over Covid19 response.

Labour aren't losing ground with the new leader though because the Tories went higher after the election but before Starmer was elected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...neral_election

In the poll before Starmer was elected the Tories were at 24% in the equivalent YouGov poll. At the start of the year they were at 20%.

Starmer has only been in the job two months and the polling average has halfed. Now that isn't just him, or just Cummings, as you say it's also the Covid 19 response.. Either way though the polling is narrowing:

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Labour aren't losing ground with the new leader though because the Tories went higher after the election but before Starmer was elected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...neral_election

In the poll before Starmer was elected the Tories were at 24% in the equivalent YouGov poll. At the start of the year they were at 20%.

Starmer has only been in the job two months and the polling average has halfed. Now that isn't just him, or just Cummings, as you say it's also the Covid 19 response.. Either way though the polling is narrowing:

Agreed - polls indicate Labour aren't losing ground with the new leader though I appreciate there are a number of people who are sceptical of polls.
I think Starmer has performed very well in this crisis whilst it's been a mixed bag for the Conservatives. He's generally put himself above Cumminsgate and let the Conservative Party do what Labour used to - fight amongst themselves and weaken the leader's authority.
I think Labour's percentage has benefitted from the Liberal Democrats not having a permanent leader - I assume there will be an election this year. A successful Liberal Democrat leader could narrow the Labour-Conservative gap by chipping away at the Conservative vote.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed - polls indicate Labour aren't losing ground with the new leader though I appreciate there are a number of people who are sceptical of polls.
I think Starmer has performed very well in this crisis whilst it's been a mixed bag for the Conservatives. He's generally put himself above Cumminsgate and let the Conservative Party do what Labour used to - fight amongst themselves and weaken the leader's authority.
I think Labour's percentage has benefitted from the Liberal Democrats not having a permanent leader - I assume there will be an election this year. A successful Liberal Democrat leader could narrow the Labour-Conservative gap by chipping away at the Conservative vote.

What has he done?

[ianch99]

It wasn't the tribal polling aspect I was commenting on. Rather the humour was sardonic, it seems that the lockdown is being relaxed more for political reasons than scientific ones. In fact, a number of the scientific advisors are uneasy with what has been announced:

Coronavirus: Scientists who advise government warn lockdown being eased too soon

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It wasn't the tribal polling aspect I was commenting on. Rather the humour was sardonic, it seems that the lockdown is being relaxed more for political reasons than scientific ones. In fact, a number of the scientific advisors are uneasy with what has been announced:

Coronavirus: Scientists who advise government warn lockdown being eased too soon

The cynics amongst us would consider if the government were attempting to bribe the populace.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

What has he done?

That's entirely the point. As Opposition leader, all he can do right now is criticise in the hope he'll be PM in 2024.

On the other hand, his party represents millions of voters. There is a case to be made, if it's not happening already, for COBRA to include the Opposition Leader & Shadow Health Minister.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

What has he done?

He's been doing his job and the public have noticed. Be it asking the right questions in PMQ or being restrained in Cummingsgate. And behind the scenes he's been sorting out the issues in his party.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He's been doing his job and the public have noticed. Be it asking the right questions in PMQ or being restrained in Cummingsgate. And behind the scenes he's been sorting out the issues in his party.

Antisemitism? Not something to be sorted out "behind the scenes". And nothing to show for his first four days proclamation on the subject.

I suspect the public, who are fickle, haven't noticed him so much (but he's not been a negative distraction) as they have some concerns over Boris right now.