The state benefits system mega-thread.

[Gary L]

We will live to regret how we victimise the unemployed eventually.

there's a cemetery by me which has "Community Payback" painting the perimeter fence at the moment.

the unemployed will be soon doing the same job.

and it will be interesting what kind of uniform they wear. how they're treated, and how they're spoken to.

I honestly think that now that ball has started rolling.
it's going to get ugly. so be careful out there

[peanut]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

They just said on ch5 that it will include those on 'incapacity benefits' - that will be interesting.

That one's new to me, the courts are going to be busy when they sue for making their conditions worse.

[Gary L]

If they're 'working' 30 hours per week. how are they going to find time to get a real job?
or is the thinking and reasoning that because there aren't enough jobs for everyone anyway, then they're not likely to get one anyway.

is it going to be acceptable that they will never find a job. and as long as they're working for free. and possibly going to make many hundreds, if not thousands redundant. then we don't care?

many people work part time. less than these 30 hours the unemployed are expected to do. have they got spare time on their hands to look for a job? do we assume that they don't have a life as such. so will have plenty of time on their hands.

it works in America, because they have discipline if you like. but over here there is no discipline or respect. somebody who feels that they have nothing left to lose won't think twice about their actions.

councils have got to save millions. make the workforce redundant and use the unemployed.
that thing about they won't be allowed to will be out the window.
along with everything else that is happening with this government that are using us all like pawns.

Where have I got 30 hours from?

Originally Posted by Gary L

If they're 'working' 30 hours per week. how are they going to find time to get a real job?

Where have I got 30 hours from?

Most people consider full time work to be 35 or more hours per week. In many cases people working full time are doing 40 hours, occasionally more than that.

Yet you don't hear people moaning once they get to Thursday evening that they don't have any time left to work the rest of the week, do you.

The point is, as a fit, able bodied, working age adult, you are supposed to consider it normal to spend 35 or more hours per week in productive employment, unless you're rich enough by your own means to choose a life of leisure. If you claim dole for so long that the state starts to demand something in return, and makes you work 30 hours, then you are still doing at least 5 hours less than someone who actually works and pays the taxes that subsidise your living. You have at least one hour in every working day to continue to look for work. I predict this programme will also allow time for interviews and reasonable travel.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

The point is, as a fit, able bodied, working age adult, you are supposed to consider it normal to spend 35 or more hours per week in productive employment, unless you're rich enough by your own means to choose a life of leisure. If you claim dole for so long that the state starts to demand something in return, and makes you work 30 hours, then you are still doing at least 5 hours less than someone who actually works and pays the taxes that subsidise your living. You have at least one hour in every working day to continue to look for work. I predict this programme will also allow time for interviews and reasonable travel.

So basically they've thrown the National Minimum Wage law out the window then.

it's like the bedroom tax.
people should move to a smaller house so as not to be victimised.
(there isn't enough even if they wanted to)

work for your dole.
work full time for a few quid, or get a 'proper' job.
(there isn't enough even if they wanted to)

pay fine for walking on cracks in pavement.
avoid the cracks, don't pay the fine.
(there aren't any non cracked slabs to walk on)

who's to blame for the mess the country is in?

in the Great British survey most of those that are employed. blamed those that are not employed. and were surprised to hear that it was the bankers and old people.
(they said, well David said it's them **** on the dole, and I believe Dave)

Your satire isn't very funny.

The simple lesson is this: if you rely on the State for your living, you will get what you need, you may not get all you want.

Originally Posted by Chris

Your satire isn't very funny.

The simple lesson is this: if you rely on the State for your living, you will get what you need, you may not get all you want.

Unless you have some taken away

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Chris

Your satire isn't very funny.

The simple lesson is this: if you rely on the State for your living, you will get what you need, you may not get all you want.

If only that was true. Getting what you 'need' isn't down to your what your needs are. That depends if you meet a criteria that is beyond reach for most.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

Your satire isn't very funny.

Yes it is.

The simple lesson is this: if you rely on the State for your living, you will get what you need, you may not get all you want.

Ok. that's the lesson.

what's with the punishment then?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Most people consider full time work to be 35 or more hours per week. In many cases people working full time are doing 40 hours, occasionally more than that.

Yet you don't hear people moaning once they get to Thursday evening that they don't have any time left to work the rest of the week, do you.

The point is, as a fit, able bodied, working age adult, you are supposed to consider it normal to spend 35 or more hours per week in productive employment, unless you're rich enough by your own means to choose a life of leisure. If you claim dole for so long that the state starts to demand something in return, and makes you work 30 hours, then you are still doing at least 5 hours less than someone who actually works and pays the taxes that subsidise your living. You have at least one hour in every working day to continue to look for work. I predict this programme will also allow time for interviews and reasonable travel.

Isn't it normal to expect wages when you work to, not benefits and what if the scheme doesn't work as I've just been listening to?

http://niesr.ac.uk/blog/dwp-analysis...g#.UkVzJ7tZ62I

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Isn't it normal to expect wages when you work to, not benefits and what if the scheme doesn't work as I've just been listening to?

http://niesr.ac.uk/blog/dwp-analysis...g#.UkVzJ7tZ62I

In much of the world it is also normal to expect to get nothing if you *don't* work.

The British problem, as it has been for decades, is the sense of entitlement.

[Mr Pharmacist]

Regarding A4E, this concerns their Slough office http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-24291161 Considering they must have a fair few offices, it makes you wonder if it's going on elsewhere?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist

Regarding A4E, this concerns their Slough office http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-24291161 Considering they must have a fair few offices, it makes you wonder if it's going on elsewhere?

Making money out of the unemploymed by way of fraud.

that's a new one.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

In much of the world it is also normal to expect to get nothing if you *don't* work.

The British problem, as it has been for decades, is the sense of entitlement.

In much of the world it's also normal to starve to death or die of curable diseases, do we want that here to and I think dole money is pretty much nothing, you'd have to have serious deficiencies to think being on the dole was anything other than bleak.

[jb66]

If folk on benefits can afford the vip package and own a iphone 5s on benefits then we are paying the unemployed too much.