UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

What they actually said...

Frost has interpreted this as a threat of a blockade, but the EU would be treating us no differently than any other "third country" - prove we are meeting EU standards.

Uncertainties? We'd still be following the same rules as the day before, and that's a certainty.

Not just food related items.

4.6 Non-freight

Any requirements for goods in luggage, Royal Mail and parcels are still under consideration. Further guidance will be set out in due course.

12.6 Tobacco and e-cigarette products

These products will have to comply with the EU Tobacco Products Directive and packaging will need to feature the EU picture library.
To be sold in Northern Ireland, a notification will need to be made. Discussions with the EU are still on going on how this process will take place and further guidance will follow.

12.5 Medical devices

Devices will need to be compliant with the EU Medical Devices Regulation (MDR) from May 2021 and In Vitro Medical Devices Regulation (IVDR) from May 2022. The device must be registered in Eudamed (for MDR-compliant products) and be registered with the MHRA. If the manufacturer is based in GB, the manufacturer will be required to have an Authorised Representative in NI or the EU.

Order Order estimates about 17 Tories rebelling. Well off enough to defeat the bill but no one was expecting that. The question will be if the rumours of them removing the whip from these MPs proves to be true.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's apparent that some people are having difficulty in accepting that we've left the EU and want to pretend we're still a member and should be treated as such.

It's the EU insisting we be treated as if we were still a member and have to follow EU rules.

Originally Posted by Damien

Order Order estimates about 17 Tories rebelling. Well off enough to defeat the bill but no one was expecting that. The question will be if the rumours of them removing the whip from these MPs proves to be true.

I heard it was about 20, but not all of them will vote against it, they will abstain. Either way the DUP have signalled they will be voting with the Government tonight which will give some much extra comfy head room to the Government.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

It is true, go look it up, I ain't your lackey.

Acting in good faith is a legal requirement, it is one of the fundamental principles the EU is suppose to have, but fail to follow when it comes to itself.

It's a bit much asking Kushan to find the evidence for you when the British government has been unable to find any such evidence!

The Times 14th September 2020
If the government believes the EU has acted in bad faith sufficient to justify breaking international law, it should provide compelling evidence.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...game-2wjs89l7t

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Originally Posted by Damien

Order Order estimates about 17 Tories rebelling. Well off enough to defeat the bill but no one was expecting that. The question will be if the rumours of them removing the whip from these MPs proves to be true.

Wow! Hopefully BoJo will learn from this.

The founder of Conservative Home, Tim Montgomerie calls it right tonight.

Tim Montgomerie Turning off Twitter until tmrw. Very rare I’m ashamed of the Conservative Party but I am tonight. The PM fiddling with his phone on the frontbench, ignoring parliamentary scrutiny. And Tory MPs queuing up to endorse a Bill they know breaks international law. What next Dom?

https://twitter.com/montie/status/1305597830455853057

Ed Miliband: "He can't blame [Theresa May]. He can't blame John Major. He can't blame the judges... There's only one person responsible for it and that's him. This is his deal. It's his mess. It's his failure."

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

It's the EU insisting we be treated as if we were still a member and have to follow EU rules.

I wish I'd got in with that one!

BREAKING: 349 MPs vote against Labour's Amendment on the IMB (Basically their amendment nullified the Bill at second reading).

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I wish I'd got in with that one!

You would have let your standards drop had you done so, as you are normally more rational.

BREAKING:

The Internal Market Bill clears its first major parliamentary hurdle - as MPs pass it at second reading.

Ayes: 340

Noes: 263

Passed with a majory of 77

With the DUP it makes it tedious to work out the Tory rebels. Anyone?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You would have let your standards drop had you done so, as you are normally more rational.

And what is wrong with the standard that the EU still expects the UK to follow it's rules that Nomad stated, which is again true?

Come on Andrew your everlasting love for the EU is drawing very thin.

[Pierre]

77 majority, it’s irrelevant who voted against it, it will go through.

Originally Posted by Damien

Passed with a majory of 77

With the DUP it makes it tedious to work out the Tory rebels. Anyone?

I think the list of who voted for what takes about half an hour to appear.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

And what is wrong with the standard that the EU still expects the UK to follow it's rules that Nomad stated, which is again true?

Come on Andrew your everlasting love for the EU is drawing very thin.

It's been a tough night for you, Mick, with BoJo losing a debate to a Labour has-been ,so I'll try and be gentle. The EU doesn't expect anything that the UK hasn't requested of it. I think you're referring to the Withdrawal Agreement, which the UK requested, not the EU.

[nomadking]

There's Barnier's lies on fishing and transport driving in the EU.
The UK is signatory to the AETR rules on driving, and they are aligned with the EUs.
The claim is that the UK is unfairly blocking a historic right to fish in UK waters. If there is meant to be a "historic right", doesn't that also mean the UK and everybody else, can freely fish in EU waters with no quotas of any sort? It is the UN agreement on Laws of the Seas, that removed any notion of historic rights. Yet this is meant to be the issue that the EU is insisting is blocking ALL notions of a trade deal.

The common fisheries policy was a power grab by the EEC in the first place. It was conveniently introduced just as several countries with large control over fishing, were looking to join.