UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So a hard border with waits of up to 9 hours at the border?
Your claim that the EU presented a deal in 2016, is a complete and utter lie.

A range of deals was on on offer from 2016 as per my link.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You're doing it again. Seeing things from the EU's point of view. How about getting behind the UK government so that we don't stay under the EU cosh?

Never mind that the WA was signed as is. That was then, now is now with no deal looming.

It's not really me who you should be worried about.

Tory MPs have a new Whatsapp group entitled, “What the f*** is going on?”.
After a week in which the government has promised to break the law while dramatically limiting the nation’s freedom by statute, it’s a fair question.
Downing Street has found itself fighting its backbenchers on two fronts, Brexit and Covid, in recent days. Even Boris Johnson’s efforts to rally Conservative MPs on a Zoom call last night flirted with farce after a break in the signal that left them staring into the void.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ical-8b6dqrzcm

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A range of deals was on on offer from 2016 as per my link.

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It's not really me who you should be worried about.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ical-8b6dqrzcm

No there wasn't. Where were the specific proposals to the UK in 2016? Did it include fishing rights? We didn't trigger Article 50 until 2017.

As I pointed out, the EU wasn't allowed to negotiate anything until the Transition phase started.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

No there wasn't. Where were the specific proposals to the UK in 2016? Did it include fishing rights? We didn't trigger Article 50 until 2017.

As I pointed out, the EU wasn't allowed to negotiate anything until the Transition phase started.

Any specific offers would be whinged about and irrelevant as it's up to the UK to decide how much engagement with the EU it wants, knowing the implications of doing so. The general deals on offer were available for all to see, in that chart.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

My Country, right or wrong - is that it?

Nice of you to tell us to forget the entire basis of BJ’s Election campaign...

Pompous righteousness does not make you right.

Can you answer a direct question? Namely:

Do you want to see the UK kept under the EU cosh if there is no deal?

[1andrew1]

Robert Peston reports that that John Major and Tony Blair have found Boris Johnson's claim to be honouring the Good Friday Agreement is the opposite of what he is actually doing.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/13...219394/photo/1

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Robert Peston reports that that John Major and Tony Blair have found Boris Johnson's claim to be honouring the Good Friday Agreement is the opposite of what he is actually doing.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/13...219394/photo/1

They've found nothing, they just disagree.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

They've found nothing, they just disagree.

They know more about the Good Friday Agreement than most people in the World let alone this forum.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Robert Peston reports that that John Major and Tony Blair have found Boris Johnson's claim to be honouring the Good Friday Agreement is the opposite of what he is actually doing.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/13...219394/photo/1

1) Those 2 complaining is yet more evidence that Boris is doing the right thing.
2) Then the EU better come up with a sensible deal. We can't be expected to keep giving in to the EU and the IRA(who are STILL armed, active, and threatening violence if they don't get their own way).

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Any specific offers would be whinged about and irrelevant as it's up to the UK to decide how much engagement with the EU it wants, knowing the implications of doing so. The general deals on offer were available for all to see, in that chart.

So there were NO offers, YES or NO? NONE OF THOSE DEALS ARE OR EVER WERE ON OFFER TO THE UK. Eg which of those countries is being asked to give up their fishing waters?
If you actually look at "Picture A" in your link, you will see that there is NO red line in common with each of them. Therefore EACH of them doesn't have something or other that the EU is insisting we have ALL of. Eg Country A may have conditions X&Y, country B conditions Y&Z, country C conditions X&Z, but the EU is insisting on X&Y&Z and the rest of the alphabet for the UK.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Pompous righteousness does not make you right.

Can you answer a direct question? Namely:

Do you want to see the UK kept under the EU cosh if there is no deal?

Nice loaded question (as in "have you stopped beating your wife?" Only "yes/no" answers allowed)...

Since I never believed we were "under the EU cosh", but were part of a economic grouping, I had no issues being part of it - but as we have now left, we need to agree a deal, and reneging on an agreement that was sold to us as "oven ready" and "best deal ever" is showing this government can’t be trusted to keep it’s word.

Or to complete my previous post -

"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”

[1andrew1]

I'm genuinely saddened to see some of the headlines today* and the way that Great is being torn out of Great Britain. Not since the three-day week has the country's global reputation sunk so low.

As a Remainer who accepted the vote from day one, it is now more apparent than ever that BoJo is incapable of negotiating getting his ball back from the neighbours, let alone international treaties.

Even before the advent of Coronavirus, BoJo was showing the white flag to the EU on the Withdrawal Agreement but proclaiming success. Trying to alter it behind the EU's back is not the way things should be done if the country is to be taken seriously. Concentrating on Coronavirus has clearly seen the Government start to take apparent short cuts which are blowing up in its face. Witness the Conservative MPs' WhatsApp group called "What the F**** is going on?" reported by The Times yesterday.

We need goodwill and an extension so that we can get a good deal. The scales were already against us and they've sunk even lower through ineptitude.

* Some of the headlines include:

1. Brexit: Controversial bill has 'damaged trust', Irish minister tells Sky News

Boris Johnson's Brexit proposals have "damaged trust" and set back talks on a trade deal with the EU, an Irish minister has told Sky News.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-co...-news-12070693

2. Top lawyers slam Suella Braverman for wrecking UK’s reputation

Five QCs confronted the attorney general during Saturday’s meeting, telling her that a crime which broke the law in a “specific and limited way” – the phrase used by the Northern Ireland secretary, Brandon Lewis, when he announced the move – was still a crime.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...uks-reputation

3. UK's former US ambassador [Kim Darroch] astonished at govt's 'extraordinary' plans to break international law

“It’s all-round extraordinary,” he said.

“It’s one of the things that we thought was a basic principle of Britain’s face to the world: that we stuck by international law and agreements.

“What does it do for our reputation? How will others look at us if we are saying: ‘We will sign a deal with you, … but if we look at it six months later and decide we don’t like that, we’ll just change it unilaterally, and you’ll just have to live with it?’”

https://news.sky.com/story/former-pm...inues-12070632

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Nice loaded question (as in "have you stopped beating your wife?" Only "yes/no" answers allowed)...

Since I never believed we were "under the EU cosh", but were part of a economic grouping, I had no issues being part of it - but as we have now left, we need to agree a deal, and reneging on an agreement that was sold to us as "oven ready" and "best deal ever" is showing this government can’t be trusted to keep it’s word.

Or to complete my previous post -

"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”

I'd say Boris is being both perfidious and hedgemonic, and we don't like that sort of thing

[Pierre]

It’s only a problem if the EU/ UK don’t agree to a trade deal Isn’t it?

[Carth]

It (Brexit) will always be a problem to some, and any infraction, however slight, will be met with loud cries of anger and legal challenges from the usual ex ministers, europhile lawyers, and the media that love a good headline.

I'm surprised we haven't beem kicked out of the world cup yet

[nomadking]

Not sure what all the fuss is about, seeing as even sticking to the Protocol, it can legally ended in 4 years time. What is the real difference? Unless the expectation has always been that Ireland will continue to bully GB and NI over it, and keep it in place. That is why it's there in the first place.

Why is it the UK's responsibility to "maintain the EU single market", to the detriment of the UK single market? Yet again, no other country(eg US) would accept that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Not sure what all the fuss is about, seeing as even sticking to the Protocol, it can legally ended in 4 years time. What is the real difference? Unless the expectation has always been that Ireland will continue to bully GB and NI over it, and keep it in place. That is why it's there in the first place.

Why is it the UK's responsibility to "maintain the EU single market", to the detriment of the UK single market? Yet again, no other country(eg US) would accept that.

The UK shares a no-fence border with the EU of a few hundred miles. It is committed to keeping the Irish border this way.
Obviously, the US and other countries do not share such borders with the EU. The UK and Republic of Ireland joined the EU at the same time so it worked ok then.