Illegal migrants crossing the Channel.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Wouldn't the simplest thing to do be to announce that anyone crossing in this way or in the back of lorries will never be given permanent resident status here, or is that to simplistic

Totally meaningless. Better would be immediate deportation back to France. They have already passed through many countrys were they could claim asylum.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Totally meaningless. Better would be immediate deportation back to France. They have already passed through many countrys were they could claim asylum.

Totally meaningless to remove the very reason for them coming here but better to try and send them back to another country, what if France says they don't want them back?

[jfman]

Is it legal to deport them to France? Are France obliged to accept them (indeed, they’re not in danger here)?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Totally meaningless to remove the very reason for them coming here but better to try and send them back to another country, what if France says they don't want them back?

You would have to define that first. What is the reason for this country rather than any other thay have passed through where they could have applied for asylum?

Why the UK? Why not any other EU country? Does the rest of the EU not offer the same opportunities and support for asylum seekers?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You would have to define that first. What is the reason for this country rather than any other thay have passed through where they could have applied for asylum?

Why the UK? Why not any other EU country? Does the rest of the EU not offer the same opportunities and support for asylum seekers?

Because there are so many others already here that provide a support network for them. They are unlikely to simply turn up in a supposedly strange country and have no idea where to go or what to do.



Language might also be a factor, as English is the nearest thing to a worldwide language. If somebody's first language isn't English then apart from certain geographical considerations, the obvious 2nd choice language is English.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You would have to define that first. What is the reason for this country rather than any other thay have passed through where they could have applied for asylum?

Why the UK? Why not any other EU country? Does the rest of the EU not offer the same opportunities and support for asylum seekers?

Their end result has to be permanent residence or what's the point? I'd say the reason this country is attractive is how easy it is to get work without documents, the fact you can get healthcare easier than other countries and we don't have an ID card system binding everything together. Just of the top of my head, could have it completely wrong but other than family or close friends being here I can't think of other reasons

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Their end result has to be permanent residence or what's the point? I'd say the reason this country is attractive is how easy it is to get work without documents, the fact you can get healthcare easier than other countries and we don't have an ID card system binding everything together. Just of the top of my head, could have it completely wrong but other than family or close friends being here I can't think of other reasons

So they aren't asylum seekers but economic immigrants.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So they aren't asylum seekers but economic immigrants.

I don't know what they are, what I do know is a lot of them seem to be young, single, working age men, who incidentally are statistically more likely to have asylum applications rejected than other demographic groups

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

Is it legal to deport them to France? Are France obliged to accept them (indeed, they’re not in danger here)?

It's return them not deport them.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's return them not deport them.

The post I referred to used “deportation”. The language is less important than my question? Is it legal? Do France have to take them?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

The post I referred to used “deportation”. The language is less important than my question? Is it legal? Do France have to take them?

OK, replace deport with return if it makes so much difference to you, the result is still the same.

Return them immediately. Is that better for you?

I will remind you I was replying to TheDaddy and would remind him that the UN definition of a refugee is

A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.

(as amended by the 1967 protocol}

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

OK, replace deport with return if it makes so much difference to you, the result is still the same.

Return them immediately. Is that better for you?

It makes no difference to me. It was papa smurf who made the distinction.

My question stands either way, is it legal and can France refuse?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

It makes no difference to me. It was papa smurf who made the distinction.

My question stands either way, is it legal and can France refuse?

Did France refuse them entry in the first place?

Originally Posted by jfman

It makes no difference to me. It was papa smurf who made the distinction.

My question stands either way, is it legal and can France refuse?

Your question does not stand at all.

What they are doing is illegal-end of!

[nomadking]

Not sure that "return" is a legal term. It's just Deportation or Extradition.