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Old 29-10-2019, 01:20   #1756
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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This Parliament has overstepped it’s remit. The legislators have taken on the role of the executive. In any other Parliament a vote of no confidence would have been taken on this government and a GE would have been undertaken months ago.

This Parliament is not fit for purpose.


You can’t have another democratic exercise on that question as the result of the first democratic exercise has not been undertaken.



The opposition parties demanded a GE because May had not won a GE and May duly agreed because she thought she’d walk it. Parliament, you know that great democratic institution voted for a GE.

Funny that Johnson, also not elected via a GE, and Parliament think that’s fine, and won’t test him in a GE? Go figure.

there’s no rules anymore. Bercow and the remainer Parliament have ripped up the conventions. We need a new speaker and a new Parliament.
I wonder if Bercow is going to go on the 31st or if he'll give himself an extension?
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Old 29-10-2019, 08:41   #1757
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“I’d rather” is an expression of how one feels about certain things, not a commitment to do one or the other.

Besides, he’s trying very hard to implicate Parliament as the cause of the delay, rather than he himself.
Perhaps he should have explained that fully when he was making hay at hunts expense during the leadership contest, hunt who told the truth about the possibility of needing an extension and bozo who told us in no uncertain terms it wouldn't happen
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Old 29-10-2019, 09:23   #1758
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The EU counties being “propped up” are customers for all of the products they buy from other EU countries.

Given how strongly the English feel I’m surprised they are so keen to “prop up” Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The EU is not part of the UK, jfman.

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Perhaps he should have explained that fully when he was making hay at hunts expense during the leadership contest, hunt who told the truth about the possibility of needing an extension and bozo who told us in no uncertain terms it wouldn't happen
Maybe so, but not because the EU denied him the ability to get the revised agreement. That was Parliament's doing.

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it him that suspended the bill because he didn't want it scrutinized not the other way around
He suspended the Bill because Parliament was not prepared to agree a timetable that enabled us to leave on 31 October.

The Bill contains much of what has already been scrutinised to death. The changes he has made do not require scrutiny of more than a few days. As usual, Parliament tries to draw everything out for as long as it can get away with.

I am sure the electorate will respond appropriately when finally given its voice and Boris will romp home. And the nightmare will finally end.
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Ah, so Britain is willing to pay for colonial nostalgia, but not into wider economic projects. Got ya.
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Old 29-10-2019, 11:55   #1760
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Ah, so Britain is willing to pay for colonial nostalgia, but not into wider economic projects. Got ya.
It seems to be the remainers who believe that leavers voted Brexit because of their visions of empires reborn.

Speak to leavers and you will get a rather different picture, based on forging our own future and creating prosperity, being responsible for our own laws, as well as stemming the unrelenting scourge of immigration, which at its recent levels threaten to change the nature of this country and put untold damage on our public services and housing situation.

Colonialism? That's well dead and buried now and firmly consigned to history.
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Britain set for December election as Corbyn lifts Labour's opposition to bill.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bill-live-news

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We have now heard from the EU that the extension of article 50 to 31st January has been confirmed, so for the next three months, our condition of taking no deal off the table has now been met.
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Well looks like a December election is on. Corbyn finally relents.

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Get ready for Social Media meltdown, fake news and a huge amount of bollocks to be coming your way from all sides for the next 6 weeks. At least parliament will be dissolved.
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cant see anthing but another hung parliament
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Well if its anything like the referendum campaign which was full of misinformation , lies and everything else besides from both sides it will be more of the same sadly..
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Well if its anything like the referendum campaign which was full of misinformation , lies and everything else besides from both sides it will be more of the same sadly..
exactly Den gonna be lots of lies on all sides in election campaign
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It seems to be the remainers who believe that leavers voted Brexit because of their visions of empires reborn.

Speak to leavers and you will get a rather different picture, based on forging our own future and creating prosperity, being responsible for our own laws, as well as stemming the unrelenting scourge of immigration, which at its recent levels threaten to change the nature of this country and put untold damage on our public services and housing situation.

Colonialism? That's well dead and buried now and firmly consigned to history.
With the end of the United Kingdom as we know it and a border in the Irish Sea it certainly will be dead and buried.

Leaving the EU will solve none of the issues you describe. I see no prospective Government pledging to solve the housing crisis, no disincentives to have property traded as a commodity with buy to let landlords, none of it.

The UK haven't even been controlling immigration with the present levers available - what makes you think ending EU migration will change that?

People have been tricked by successive Governments into blaming immigrants for Government failure. Leaving the EU simply leaves a failing Government and no bogeyman.

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exactly Den gonna be lots of lies on all sides in election campaign
And likely given the poll trends for the last 10 years we could well be in hung parliament territory again.
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cant see anthing but another hung parliament
Boris has a pretty good lead in the opinion polls, which is steadily increasing, and unlike Theresa, he will be able to build on that.

People want to move forward, not backwards. They've had enough of the silly games being played by all the opposition parties.

Scotland may be an exception to that, but this will not be enough to prevent Boris riding to an overwhelming victory. He will also win over a number of 'leave' Labour seats and the Lib Dems will split the Labour vote. Many traditional Labour voters won't even bother to vote with Corbyn in charge. The Brexit Party is toast now with Boris leading the way.

Boris is home and dry unless something unforeseen happens. You'll see.

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And likely given the poll trends for the last 10 years we could well be in hung parliament territory again.
I think the public are well fed up with hung parliaments now. This should bury the desire for proportional representation for a long time.
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Boris has a pretty good lead in the opinion polls, which is steadily increasing, and unlike Theresa, he will be able to build on that.

People want to move forward, not backwards. They've had enough of the silly games being played by all the opposition parties.

Scotland may be an exception to that, but this will not be enough to prevent Boris riding to an overwhelming victory. He will also win over a number of 'leave' Labour seats and the Lib Dems will split the Labour vote. Many traditional Labour voters won't even bother to vote with Corbyn in charge. The Brexit Party is toast now with Boris leading the way.

Boris is home and dry unless something unforeseen happens. You'll see.

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I think the public are well fed up with hung parliaments now. This should bury the desire for proportional representation for a long time.
To be fair you don't have the best track record when it comes to predictions so I think quite a few of us will take what you say with a pinch of salt.
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Boris has a pretty good lead in the opinion polls, which is steadily increasing, and unlike Theresa, he will be able to build on that.

People want to move forward, not backwards. They've had enough of the silly games being played by all the opposition parties.

Scotland may be an exception to that, but this will not be enough to prevent Boris riding to an overwhelming victory. He will also win over a number of 'leave' Labour seats and the Lib Dems will split the Labour vote. Many traditional Labour voters won't even bother to vote with Corbyn in charge. The Brexit Party is toast now with Boris leading the way.

Boris is home and dry unless something unforeseen happens. You'll see.

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I think the public are well fed up with hung parliaments now. This should bury the desire for proportional representation for a long time.
remember last time OB that what Theresa May thought too and both Johnson and Corbyn are very divisive figures

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