Brexit

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's conflating. A US trade deal isn't the only set of circumstances that could bring about further privatisation. It's not an exclusive one though.

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If there's any such analysis feel free to share it.

It's the fact that this hasn't been done that has led to the dire forecasts. All the negatives have been calculated but none of the positives.

[jfman]

So despite the finance sector being full of companies seeking to get an edge on each other in the post Brexit world literally nobody has done any analysis on which areas will be worth investing in? None of these capitalists in multi billion pound investment firms has commissioned any research into it? Nobody?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's conflating. A US trade deal isn't the only set of circumstances that could bring about further privatisation. It's not an exclusive one though.

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If there's any such analysis feel free to share it.

And one of those other set of circumstances is remaining in the EU.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And one of those other set of circumstances is remaining in the EU.

You're ignoring likelihood.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's conflating. A US trade deal isn't the only set of circumstances that could bring about further privatisation. It's not an exclusive one though.

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If there's any such analysis feel free to share it.

Believe it or not even though I'm a Brexiteer I am educated enough to know that conflating and combining are exactly the same.

Conflating is used by those who wish to appear superior.

BTW I also enjoy doing The Times, Telegraph and Daily Fail cryptic crosswords.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

So despite the finance sector being full of companies seeking to get an edge on each other in the post Brexit world literally nobody has done any analysis on which areas will be worth investing in? None of these capitalists in multi billion pound investment firms has commissioned any research into it? Nobody?

Anything positive they will keep to themselves. No good letting everybody else know about your research and analysis.

Investment firms have to produce a prospectus with hypothetical worst case scenarios. That is because investors will complain that nobody warned them, if they are caught out. The key word being "hypothetical".

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

So despite the finance sector being full of companies seeking to get an edge on each other in the post Brexit world literally nobody has done any analysis on which areas will be worth investing in? None of these capitalists in multi billion pound investment firms has commissioned any research into it? Nobody?

Do you know of any?

The problem is to know which opportunities capitalists will go for. Any predictions would be pointless because exactly how businesses will react is unknown.

But the opportunities are there, and freed up from the dead hand of the EU, the UK can only prosper.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Believe it or not even though I'm a Brexiteer I am educated enough to know that conflating and combining are exactly the same.

Conflating is used by those who wish to appear superior.

BTW I also enjoy doing The Times, Telegraph and Daily Fail cryptic crosswords.

As much as I enjoy getting bogged down in semantics on this forum, I think you know that I mean you are conflating/combining two issues that aren't linked for the purposes of derailing the conversation.

Privatisation by New Labour has no effect on the likelihood (or otherwise) of further privatisation as part of any future US-UK trade deal.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Do you know of any?

The problem is to know which opportunities capitalists will go for. Any predictions would be pointless because exactly how businesses will react is unknown.

But the opportunities are there, and freed up from the dead hand of the EU, the UK can only prosper.

I'm aware of exactly none, which is why I asked if you knew of any.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

As much as I enjoy getting bogged down in semantics on this forum, I think you know that I mean you are conflating/combining two issues that aren't linked for the purposes of derailing the conversation.

Privatisation by New Labour has no effect on the likelihood (or otherwise) of further privatisation as part of any future US-UK trade deal.

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I'm aware of exactly none, which is why I asked if you knew of any.

So its OK for New Labour to privatise part of the NHS but not anyone else?

Why should any US deal include privatisation of the NHS? It may be something the US wants but will not necessarily get.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Privatisation by New Labour has no effect on the likelihood (or otherwise) of further privatisation as part of any future US-UK trade deal.

And should therefore not be referred to in debate?

Good privatisation v bad privatisation?

New labour privatisation - good, Privatisation post Brexit - Bad.

I get it now, thanks.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Believe it or not even though I'm a Brexiteer I am educated enough to know that conflating and combining are exactly the same.

Conflating is used by those who wish to appear superior.

BTW I also enjoy doing The Times, Telegraph and Daily Fail cryptic crosswords.

You need to remove the chip on your shoulder.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's the fact that this hasn't been done that has led to the dire forecasts. All the negatives have been calculated but none of the positives.

The negatives are quantifiable since they can be assessed. The positives cannot not be as noone has articulated any to the level of detail required for assessment.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

And should therefore not be referred to in debate?

Good privatisation v bad privatisation?

New labour privatisation - good, Privatisation post Brexit - Bad.

I get it now, thanks.

You are deliberately conflating ( ) the PFI initiative started under New Labour as a "good" thing. It was not and has been proved not to be so. Yes, I hate to break the news but Governments do make bad decisions.

The privatisation referred to as likely under a right of centre Tory government is one based on the US free market model where the healthcare companies seek to put profit ahead of the patient.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

So its OK for New Labour to privatise part of the NHS but not anyone else?

Why should any US deal include privatisation of the NHS? It may be something the US wants but will not necessarily get.

Farage wants the US healthcare model so if you voted for Brexit Party, I am afraid you voted for this along with a whole litany of other great policies e.g. climate change denial, relaxing gun control, etc.

[denphone]

Britain Elects forecast for this year's UK European elections has...

Brex: 24 MEPs (+24 vs 2014)
LDem: 15 MEPs (+14)
Lab: 14 MEPs (-6)
Con: 10 MEPs (-9)
Grn: 4 MEPs (+1)
SNP: 2 MEPs (-)
PC: 1 MEP (-)
UKIP: 0 MEPs (-24)

Also a exit poll has been released in France.

Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Rally party is estimated to have topped the European election vote in France, dealing a blow to the pro-European, centrist president Emmanuel Macron.

A projection for France 2 television, based on exit polls, showed Le Pen’s party coming first with 23.2%, ahead of Macron’s centrist grouping on 21.9%.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You need to remove the chip on your shoulder.

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The negatives are quantifiable since they can be assessed. The positives cannot not be as noone has articulated any to the level of detail required for assessment.

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You are deliberately conflating ( ) the PFI initiative started under New Labour as a "good" thing. It was not and has been proved not to be so. Yes, I hate to break the news but Governments do make bad decisions.

The privatisation referred to as likely under a right of centre Tory government is one based on the US free market model where the healthcare companies seek to put profit ahead of the patient.

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Farage wants the US healthcare model so if you voted for Brexit Party, I am afraid you voted for this along with a whole litany of other great policies e.g. climate change denial, relaxing gun control, etc.

I've never had a chip on my shoulder.

Farage can want whatever policies but in the EU election only one mattered. Leave! The whole litany of others have absolutely nothing to do with the EU elections.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Farage wants the US healthcare model so if you voted for Brexit Party, I am afraid you voted for this along with a whole litany of other great policies e.g. climate change denial, relaxing gun control, etc.

Rubbish. Voting for European Parliamentary Election has no relevance to Domestic policies. You see, what you have missed during his new campaign for Brexit Party, is that Farage insisted that Party policies would be decided by its supporters, once it got past European Parliamentary Elections first, their focus was winning most seats which current forcasts say they will win the most seats.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by denphone

Britain Elects forecast for this year's UK European elections has...

Brex: 24 MEPs (+24 vs 2014)
LDem: 15 MEPs (+14)
Lab: 14 MEPs (-6)
Con: 10 MEPs (-9)
Grn: 4 MEPs (+1)
SNP: 2 MEPs (-)
PC: 1 MEP (-)
UKIP: 0 MEPs (-24)

I hope the breixit traitor party AKA lim dem doesn't do well.

I found it highly offensive to their "Bollocks to Brexit"

So much so that the leader should be strip of his knighthood.