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jfman · 12-09-2019, 08:51

You seem to think I feel much more strongly about remain than I actually do. We all lose in the event of a poorly planned no deal scenario, unless of course you are involved in shorting the pound to the tune of £8bn - but I'm going to guess most of the forum aren't.

To some extent I agree we should decide our fate - so doing this by an arbitrary two year timeframe laid down by the EU in order to make it more challenging seems pointless.

You however know that, due to criminality and corruption, any delay puts Brexit at risk. So it just happen now. At all costs. Or you lose.

No deal threatens the health, prosperity and even the very existence of the United Kingdom.

**Mick** · 12-09-2019, 09:19

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Originally Posted by jfman

You seem to think I feel much more strongly about remain than I actually do. We all lose in the event of a poorly planned no deal scenario, unless of course you are involved in shorting the pound to the tune of £8bn - but I'm going to guess most of the forum aren't.

To some extent I agree we should decide our fate - so doing this by an arbitrary two year timeframe laid down by the EU in order to make it more challenging seems pointless.

You however know that, due to criminality and corruption, any delay puts Brexit at risk. So it just happen now. At all costs. Or you lose.

No deal threatens the health, prosperity and even the very existence of the United Kingdom.

No Deal Brexit is not the outcome I wish for, we should aim for a good deal, but thanks to pathetic Remainer MPs, taking No deal off the table, a good deal is not entirely possible.

Any one with good business incentive should know, walking away from a deal is a tool for proper negotiating outlook.

The new legislation which compels Boris Johnson to ask for an Extension is an abuse of the legislature, rushed through both houses without normal scrutiny. It's an absurd law, that says something must be done by a certain time by the Prime Minister. However, as MP Bill Cash points out the A50 Act is still a Statute and that the law says, we leave without a deal, if no deal is agreed, you have two conflicting laws, a law that says one thing should happen and another commanding one person, must seek an extention.

I say it's an abuse of the legislature because of it's expedited passage through both houses, the fact that it's not a law absolutely no one else in the UK has to follow or abide by.

jfman · 12-09-2019, 09:41

A good deal is possible if Boris calls a GE and wins convincingly. Parliament is taken out the equation altogether.

Assuming Boris is genuine of course.

Carth · 12-09-2019, 10:20

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A good deal is possible if Boris calls a GE and wins convincingly. Parliament is taken out the equation altogether.

Assuming Boris is genuine of course.

Parliament said 'no' to the deal put forward by May. The EU liked the deal (no surprise there) and have stated they will not renegotiate further on that one.

Any new deal offered to the EU would have to be better than the deal May came up with, or presumably Parliament would say No again.
The EU would, quite likely, be somewhat reluctant to agree terms that were less favourable to them than the previous deal was.

Everybody and his dog can come up with a deal, getting all parties to agree with it is an entirely different matter, and that includes 'no deal' too.

No deal is, and always has been, the default option if nothing can be settled within a certain time frame . . . which has already passed, and will pass again.

jfman · 12-09-2019, 11:32

But Carth the EU will give us a better deal, after a general election returns Boris, now they know we are serious? Or is that another vote leave myth?

papa smurf · 12-09-2019, 11:37

Brexit LIVE: Boris WINS! No deal legal challenge dismissed in Belfast court - huge boost

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-yellowhammer

BORIS JOHNSON has received a huge Brexit boost after a Northern Ireland judge dismissed a case which argued the Government's Brexit strategy will damage the Northern Ireland peace process.

expect another money wasting appeal.

**Mick** · 12-09-2019, 11:43

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Brexit LIVE: Boris WINS! No deal legal challenge dismissed in Belfast court - huge boost

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-yellowhammer

BORIS JOHNSON has received a huge Brexit boost after a Northern Ireland judge dismissed a case which argued the Government's Brexit strategy will damage the Northern Ireland peace process.

expect another money wasting appeal.

Wherein this mirrors the High Court ruling in London last week with Gina Miller:

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During the verdict Lord Justice Bernard McCloskey described the case as “inherently and unmistakably political to be beyond plausible dispute”.

There is no legal test this case can be compared with, because there is no law or statute that says Parliament must permanently sit in session and that it can be prorogued for any reason or no reason at all. The Scottish court ruling yesterday, holds no basis in law, Johnsons advice cannot be ruled unlawful because there is no such law (In Britain anyway) !

**Damien** · 12-09-2019, 11:49

Remember Scottish Law is different to that of England.

papa smurf · 12-09-2019, 11:54

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Remember Scottish Law is different to that of England.

Yea it's plain that it's wrong

probably fueled by buckfast and Nationalism.

pip08456 · 12-09-2019, 12:45

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Remember Scottish Law is different to that of England.

Remember Scottish law only applies in Scotland so it has no power to rule on prorogation of Westminster parliament.

**Damien** · 12-09-2019, 12:47

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Remember Scottish law only applies in Scotland so it has no power to rule on prorogation of Westminster parliament.

I don't know how it works. Just pointing out how two different courts could both come up with different judgements.

BenMcr · 12-09-2019, 12:51

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Remember Scottish law only applies in Scotland so it has no power to rule on prorogation of Westminster parliament.

By that argument, neither does the Northern Irish court.

Westminster and Parliament are for the UK, so all legal jurisdictions within the UK have to be able to feed into UK wide law and effects of that.

pip08456 · 12-09-2019, 12:56

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By that argument, neither does the Northern Irish court.

Westminster and Parliament are for the UK, so all legal jurisdictions within the UK have to be able to feed into it.

There is no separate Northern Irish law. Nice try Ben.

BenMcr · 12-09-2019, 12:58

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There is no separate Northern Irish law. Nice try Ben.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of..._legal_systems

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There are three distinct legal jurisdictions in the United Kingdom: England and Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland.[6] Each has its own legal system, distinct history and origins.

OLD BOY · 12-09-2019, 13:10

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A good deal is possible if Boris calls a GE and wins convincingly. Parliament is taken out the equation altogether.

Assuming Boris is genuine of course.

Boris has asked for an election twice now and Corbyn and his lot have voted against it on both occasions. Did you miss that?

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But Carth the EU will give us a better deal, after a general election returns Boris, now they know we are serious? Or is that another vote leave myth?

You shouldn't forget that the remainers who are trying to stop Brexit simply don't want to leave, with or without a deal. That is precisely why they are trying to sabotage our bargaining chips.

We would have had this in the bag by now if this undemocratic lot hadn't got in the way.