PM Boris forms a government
09-09-2019, 11:37
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
Boris will probably force the EU to kick us out instead this might be the best option
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09-09-2019, 13:39
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
I voted leave in 2016 and still want to leave. Boris as PM is defending the referendum result as any PM should. MP's need to weigh things more as they are representing their constituencies as well as their own selves. Maybe Boris' approach is flawed but parliament has had years to agree and work things out and have not really got anywhere. There are too many vested interests on both sides.
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09-09-2019, 13:51
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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Originally Posted by Carth
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Versions of this story have been popping up all weekend. It is known that France has always been most reluctant of the EU27 to grant extensions. It’s not hard to see why they would be reluctant to do so now. There has also been some suggestions that behind the scenes the UK delegation has been letting it be known that if we remain after 31 October our presence will become highly obnoxious - possibly to the point of refusing to appoint our Commissioner, which would render the EU in serious breach of its own rules.
Parliament might (or might not) have forced Boris to ask for an extension, but what if the EU refuses? Will the rebel alliance dare legislate to force revocation of Art.50?
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09-09-2019, 13:56
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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Originally Posted by Gavin78
Boris will probably force the EU to kick us out instead this might be the best option
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I am sure that Boris has a strategy to persuade as many EU leaders as possible to vote 'no' to an extension. The more of them on board, the better, but we only actually need one to vote against. Then it is almost a certainty that we will get a 'no deal' unless the EU comes to its senses and gives us an acceptable deal at the 11th hour.
In the meantime, Boris can have a lot of fun adding attachments to that Benn letter that will dissuade any serious talk of an extension by the EU and lots of little legal shenanigans that can be tested! There must also be some arcane rules of parliamentary goverence that can be used to thwart the Benn initiative.
One way or another, the opposition takeover of parliament will be thwarted and post election, Bercow will be out on his ear.
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Versions of this story have been popping up all weekend. It is known that France has always been most reluctant of the EU27 to grant extensions. It’s not hard to see why they would be reluctant to do so now. There has also been some suggestions that behind the scenes the UK delegation has been letting it be known that if we remain after 31 October our presence will become highly obnoxious - possibly to the point of refusing to appoint our Commissioner, which would render the EU in serious breach of its own rules.
Parliament might (or might not) have forced Boris to ask for an extension, but what if the EU refuses? Will the rebel alliance dare legislate to force revocation of Art.50?
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That is the only scary thought I have about this, but it would be politically rather disastrous for Labour to take such a route, don't you think? It would be the clearest sign yet that Corbyn wants us to be locked into the EU.
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09-09-2019, 14:00
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Farage says Boris is going to go for May's deal and hive off Northern Ireland. Would explain to why no filibuster or Lords amendments - the amendment to have another vote on a deal remains intact.
With the best will in the world to Old Boy, while people with no intention of voting Labour would have a fit those that would probably wouldn't mind revocation.
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09-09-2019, 14:09
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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Farage says Boris is going to go for May's deal and hive off Northern Ireland.
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. . . and you've always said Farage tells porkies
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09-09-2019, 14:25
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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. . . and you've always said Farage tells porkies
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So if we can rule anything out...
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09-09-2019, 14:27
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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. . . and you've always said Farage tells porkies
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very big liar just like Johnson
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09-09-2019, 14:37
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How can the PM be held accountable for something not within their "gift". Parliament has 3 times turned down the "deal". The EU Parliament has to approve any changes. Strange that Parliament and the Remainers have never said what is acceptable to them in a "deal". They are the ones looking like they don't have a plan.
As long as the EU recognises we are prepared to leave without a "deal", leaving the backstop issues firmly in their court, then the EU should be prepared to make the "deal" simply that of regulatory alignment until the end of 2020. After that point it would be no different for them on Nov 1st 2019 as things stand. Of course central to that is the UK convincing the EU we are ok without a "deal". The UK courts would have jurisdiction within the UK, the EU courts inside the EU. The only people in the UK Parliament likely to object to that is Labour, as they want the "deal" to be worse than it currently is.
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Does that mean we always have to follow them on everything, including tax rates, or does it it mean they have to follow any changes we make? Take a wild guess. The EU, as usual, will make it mean whatever they want it to mean.
Eg The "chlorine-washed chicken" issue is a competitive edge one, not a food safety one. Chlorine washing is used in the EU for salad and vegetables, so it's not unsafe and deemed safer than blasts of air and water as the EU insists on for chicken.
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It's not consuming chlorine itself that the EU is worried about - in fact in 2005 the European Food Safety Authority said that "exposure to chlorite residues arising from treated poultry carcasses would be of no safety concern". Chlorine-rinsed bagged salads are common in the UK and other countries in the EU.
But the EU believes that relying on a chlorine rinse at the end of the meat production process could be a way of compensating for poor hygiene standards - such as dirty or crowded abattoirs.
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Chlorine does reduce the bacteria on chicken, although by how much is disputed - the World Health Organization has highlighted that studies on the effectiveness of chlorine treatment give mixed results.
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09-09-2019, 14:39
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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very big liar just like Johnson
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Plenty of other politicians as well seems to know the art of lying Dave.
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09-09-2019, 14:48
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Plenty of other politicians as well seems to know the art of lying Dave.
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yep all them lie Den but them 2 are the biggest ones
Boris Johnson would not win an election outright, polling seen by No 10 suggests
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...gests-11805584
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09-09-2019, 16:39
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
Speaker John Bercow to stand down on October 31st assuming GE vote does not pass tonight
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...P=share_btn_tw
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09-09-2019, 16:51
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
Jump before you’re pushed. A pragmatic solution to his impending demise.
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09-09-2019, 16:55
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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Jump before you’re pushed. A pragmatic solution to his impending demise.
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Also defuses the potential setting of a precedent of a major party putting forward a challenger in the Speaker’s constituency at Election time - future Speakers may not be in such safe seats.
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09-09-2019, 17:05
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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Also defuses the potential setting of a precedent of a major party putting forward a challenger in the Speaker’s constituency at Election time - future Speakers may not be in such safe seats.
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With the likes of the SNP’s Pete Wishart, hilariously devoid of self-awareness, calling for “this remainer parliament” to choose a new speaker designed to give one last “middle finger to the Brexit cult”, should the new speaker turn out to have been too closely involved in recent events, or should they rapidly make a nuisance of themselves to the government, I wouldn’t bet the farm on that precedent not being challenged.
I’d say there is a very good chance of Farage putting someone up against a remainer speaker in any case, especially if they represent a Brexit leaning constituency.
Bercow has presided over a bonfire of convention, asserting parliamentary sovereignty at the expense even of challenging the most ancient convention is that parliament legislates but it does not attempt to govern. Granted many people think he’s done a grand old job, but in the longer run his undermining of the principle of respect for convention may have serious unforeseen consequences for our constitutional settlement.
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