Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
29-10-2020, 15:21
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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Indeed.
I can't believe the brass neck on starmer, he said bugger all when he was in the shadow cabinet.
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Keeping his head down until he’d secured the top job I expect. You didn’t have to be a Corbynite to get on the Labour leadership ballot but it certainly helped if you hadn’t upset them too much. I think people quickly forget just how far Momentum’s tentacles spread through the Party apparatus during Corbyn’s tenure. Not that I’m defending Starmer. He should have spoken up yet apparently he didn’t.
I think we are now in for several months of highly entertaining factional warfare within Labour.
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29-10-2020, 15:23
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Indeed.
I can't believe the brass neck on starmer, he said bugger all when he was in the shadow cabinet.
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January 2018
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8168856.html
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Sir Keir Starmer has told Jeremy Corbyn to be “louder” in condemning antisemitism in the Labour Party.
The Shadow Brexit Secretary vowed to ask his party leader to be more vocal on the issue after a series of high-profile incidents involving Labour members being accused of expressing anti-Jewish views.
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April 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...mitism-remarks
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Sir Keir Starmer has hit back at the trade union chief Len McCluskey for accusing Labour MPs complaining about antisemitism of “smearing” Jeremy Corbyn.
The shadow Brexit secretary suggested that those who denied the party had an issue with antisemitism were “part of the problem”.
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February 2019
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...emitic-members
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The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, has called for tough rules to swiftly kick out antisemitic Labour members, following rows at a shadow cabinet meeting over the party’s backlog of complaints.
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29-10-2020, 15:26
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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He clearly didn't do enough,the odd whimper while plotting his rise to power won't get many brownie points.
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29-10-2020, 15:33
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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I can't believe the brass neck on starmer, he said bugger all when he was in the shadow cabinet.
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He clearly didn't do enough,the odd whimper while plotting his rise to power won't get many brownie points.
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Which is it?
The argument you're making is one that no-one ever manages, because the line to achieve it is always redrawn just ahead of whatever position the person currently has or the actions they've done.
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29-10-2020, 15:37
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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Which is it?
The argument you're making is one that no-one ever manages, because the line to achieve it is always redrawn just ahead of whatever position the person currently has or the actions they've done.
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I read a report earlier today that said starmer did nothing [can't remember where it was]
now you say he did complain and show news articles,so now i ask did he complain enough or just enough to cover his own arse?
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29-10-2020, 15:45
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
Well considering he was also on the Parliamentary committee that produced this report
https://publications.parliament.uk/p...ff/136/136.pdf
It's something he's been aware of and critical of in Labour's stance for most of his time in parliament. And the need to ensure that everyone in the UK takes steps to ensure that antisemitism is rooted out.
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29-10-2020, 15:48
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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Well considering he was also on the Parliamentary committee that produced this report
https://publications.parliament.uk/p...ff/136/136.pdf
It's something he's been aware of and critical of in Labour's stance for most of his time in parliament. And the need to ensure that everyone in the UK takes steps to ensure that antisemitism is rooted out. |
So he's been aware of it for a long time then.
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29-10-2020, 15:50
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
Yes, as my links have shown as he wouldn't have spoken out about it if he wasn't aware of it.
However he wasn't the leader, part of the leaders office or on the NEC. All of which are responsible for the mechanisms within the Labour party and have had problems with members and their attitude towards antisemitism.
Ultimately it is those parts of the party that are responsible for the discrimination and failure to deal with it.
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29-10-2020, 15:53
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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Yes, as my links have shown as he wouldn't have spoken out about it if he wasn't aware of it.
However he wasn't the leader, part of the leaders office or on the NEC. All of which are responsible for the mechanisms within the Labour party and have had problems with members and their attitude towards antisemitism.
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Just a foot soldier then.
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29-10-2020, 15:59
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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Just a foot soldier then.
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Interfering in the confidential party processes is precisely the issue that the report says the leader's office did inappropriately.
As a Brexit Secretary has no role within party discipline that I could see, then I wouldn't expect him to be involved any part of the complaints.
Nor could I see why he would be aware of them at the time (excluding any high profile ones that were in the public domain). The Leader's office shouldn't have been aware of some of them, and my understanding on one of the issues is that they were.
He has spoken out over the last 4 years about issues that affect his party that he was aware of including with the actions of his leader at the time.
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29-10-2020, 16:27
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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The Campaign Against Antisemitism, which was a complainant in the EHRC investigation, has submitted complaints today about Labour MPs such as Corbyn, Diane Abbott, Rebecca Long-Bailey.
The list of MPs with CAA complaints against them also includes current frontbencher Steve Reed, who suggested in July that Tory donor Richard Desmond was a “puppet master”, and deputy leader Angela Rayner.
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From HERE
Full list of MPs etc. accused :-
Diane Abbott MP
Tahir Ali MP
Mike Amesbury MP
Alana Bates
Apsana Begum MP
Richard Burgon MP
Ronnie Campbell
Maria Carroll
Pamela Fitzpatrick
Lisa Forbes
Barry Gardiner MP
Ruth George
Rebecca Gordon-Nesbitt
Dan Greef
Adrian Heald
Kate Hollern MP
Rebecca Jenkins
Afzal Khan MP
Kate Linnegar
Rebecca Long Bailey MP
Mark McDonald
Ali Milani
Ed Murphy
Jann Oliver
Baroness Osamor
Jenny Rathbone WAM
Angela Rayner MP
Steve Reed MP
Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP
Barry Sheerman MP
Jim Sheridan
Zarah Sultana MP
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29-10-2020, 17:39
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
Labour wring hands over antisemitism like rumbled Nazis at end of WW2
TODAY is a truly dark day for British politics. Forget Brexit, forget the EU, and forget COVID-19 for a moment. A leading British political party - the Labour Party - stands guilty of giving succour to racists and Jew-haters everywhere.
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...starmer-rayner
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29-10-2020, 18:33
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
Well guess I'm back to the Green party..
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29-10-2020, 18:52
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
Apparently the party leadership advised Corbyn not to make the statement he did. They then advised him to retract it, but he didn’t. The man really doesn’t get it. It’s no wonder things got so out of control under his leadership.
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29-10-2020, 19:27
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Re: Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination
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Apparently the party leadership advised Corbyn not to make the statement he did. They then advised him to retract it, but he didn’t. The man really doesn’t get it. It’s no wonder things got so out of control under his leadership.
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He was effectively daring Starmer to do this.
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