Coronavirus - Page 93

**Chris** · 03-12-2020, 13:11

They have been saying for months now that *if* a vaccine rollout began by the end of this year it would be Easter before we would see significant loosening of restrictions. There's nothing new here, just some people getting over excited.

Even after everyone is vaccinated we will need to see the long term population-wide data before we understand how well the various vaccines prevent transmission and how long they provide protection at all. And after that we will have to decide what we're going to do about people returning from countries whose vaccine protection programmes are less effective than we hope ours will be. SARS-CoV-2 is going to be with the human race forever and guarding against its worst effects will simply become an aspect of public health policy.

Mr K · 03-12-2020, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Never did - we’ll all have to adapt to a new normal.

if the 'new normal' is keeping a greater social distance from each other, then that's all for the good imho

Goodbye team hugs (stupid bleeding managers..)

Not sure how Northern Trains will cope with social distancing...

**Hugh** · 03-12-2020, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Mr K

if the 'new normal' is keeping a greater social distance from each other, then that's all for the good imho

Goodbye team hugs (stupid bleeding managers..)

Not sure how Northern Trains will cope with social distancing...

Pacers have gone, now...

Mr K · 03-12-2020, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Pacers have gone, now...

Yes we've now got an upgrade to the trains Scotland don't want any longer... Progress I guess....

Hom3r · 03-12-2020, 14:26

The biggest trouble is the minority have a bigger say than the majority.

What we need to reduce the risk is to only allow people who don't wear masks to enter at certain hours, like they did at the beginning for NHS and elderly etc.

But no, these people say no you stay at home and stop bulling me. (which they have on FB.

As I'm shielding my dad who has left the house 6 times since March, 3 to see his wife (my mum) 1 her funeral, 1 flu jab and 1 in the summer for a BBQ at my sisters when we were allowed and followed the rues at the time, I'm glad not to be at work as some of the people I worked with I would trust to watch paint dry.

RichardCoulter · 03-12-2020, 15:56

I wonder if even this will make the EU reconsider their ridiculous 'Freedom of movement' ideology. It's a different world now as the vaccines aren't 100% effective and we don't yet know how long they will be effective for.

Mad Max · 03-12-2020, 16:07

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I wonder if even this will make the EU reconsider their ridiculous 'Freedom of movement' ideology. It's a different world now as the vaccines aren't 100% effective and we don't yet know how long they will be effective for.

I don't think any vaccines are 100% effective.

**Hugh** · 03-12-2020, 18:50

Quarantine rules to be relaxed for business travellers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55162318

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Quarantine rules are set to be eased for business travellers in England.

The rules will be relaxed for top bosses of foreign multinational firms visiting English branches and bosses at firms planning to invest.

Returning executives will also be exempt from quarantine.

In each case, the business trips must result in a deal which creates or preserves 50 jobs or leads to a £100,000 investment or order, according to the Department for Transport.

The new rule will allow business people to travel to England from countries that are not on the UK's list of travel corridors without having to isolate for 14 days on arrival.

"Following the science"??

**Paul** · 03-12-2020, 19:16

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I wonder if even this will make the EU reconsider their ridiculous 'Freedom of movement' ideology. It's a different world now as the vaccines aren't 100% effective and we don't yet know how long they will be effective for.

Despite the constant media and antisocial site mega hype, its really not.
The main difference is/was that we had no immunity to CV, and no vaccine either.

Once we have a vaccine fully deployed there will be no reason for any special measures.
It becomes exactly the same as the many many other "killer" viruses out there, which we dont (and never have) needed masks/distancing/lockdowns for.

In fact, the Flu will most likely re-take its top spot as the main 'killer' virus again, along with AIDS, TB and even Measles.

You will probably just have an annual/whatever CV jab, like we do Flu.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

"Following the science"??

Being practical (for once) ?
It helps if the economy actually survives.

RichardCoulter · 03-12-2020, 21:01

It will be interesting to see if other countries take more care about who they let in and what happens to those that don't.

Been on the news that we're importing other vaccines. Maybe It's too late to cancel what's already been ordered or maybe it's to hasten our immunisation programme??

I wonder if people will get a choice as to which one to have?

jfman · 03-12-2020, 21:17

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It will be interesting to see if other countries take more care about who they let in and what happens to those that don't.

Freedom of movement has nothing to do with the virus spreading around. Tourists can go on holiday to EU and non EU countries regardless. When the virus was identified there could have been merit in closing borders however that doesn’t justify permanently doing so.

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Been on the news that we're importing other vaccines. Maybe It's too late to cancel what's already been ordered or maybe it's to hasten our immunisation programme??

We will need plenty anyway. Advantages in some over others re: storage. It’s also unclear how frequently they may be required and if that varies. Worth hedging bets for now.

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I wonder if people will get a choice as to which one to have?

I doubt it.

Pierre · 03-12-2020, 21:39

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Originally Posted by jfman

Freedom of movement has nothing to do with the virus spreading around.

Come again?

jfman · 03-12-2020, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Come again?

“Freedom of movement” as in the EU legal framework (to which Richard refers above) that allows people to live and work in other Member States. Which is why the full quote continues as follows:

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Tourists can go on holiday to EU and non EU countries regardless. When the virus was identified there could have been merit in closing borders however that doesn’t justify permanently doing so.

Pierre · 03-12-2020, 22:12

Oh I see, the Freedom of movement within the EU was not an issue, but the freedom of movement within the UK, definitely an issue........ got it thanks.

jfman · 03-12-2020, 23:09

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Oh I see, the Freedom of movement within the EU was not an issue, but the freedom of movement within the UK, definitely an issue........ got it thanks.

Not quite sure how you’ve arrived at that leap.

Can only suspect you are attempting to throw up a straw man conflating “freedom of movement” (the EU principle allowing people to live and work in other Member States) and the principle of regional lockdowns restricting travel between local authorities.

Those are not the same thing. Unless you’ve got evidence that significant numbers of infections (and subsequent chains of transmission) started from people who were not travelling for tourism purposes and/or would be denied tourist visas.

As I say closing borders (and at a international or local levels, inside and outside the EU) could have had merits at the start of the outbreak but that’s substantially different from Richard’s statement.

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I wonder if even this will make the EU reconsider their ridiculous 'Freedom of movement' ideology.