Brexit

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Probably not - he (and his ilk) are not disruptive at the E.U. Parliament, just noisy and showboating; he is wind and fury, signifying nothing - all his speeches are for his loyal audience and media spots, they don’t actually disrupt anything (I can find no evidence that he has adversely affected any E.U. Parliamentary votes or committee meetings).

He is a gadfly, not a hornet to the E.U. Parliament.

You can be disruptive by not doing the job you are obligated to do. Farage is a member of the fisheries committee, but has not attended a single meeting in the past two-and-a-half years.

If you are elected, you have a duty to do the job you are getting the salary for. Period.

Originally Posted by ianch99

You can be disruptive by not doing the job you are obligated to do. Farage is a member of the fisheries committee, but has not attended a single meeting in the past two-and-a-half years.

If you are elected, you have a duty to do the job you are getting the salary for. Period.

Oh, I totally agree, but he’s not disruptive in that he is actively blocking legislation or disrupting meetings - he’s more like the guy who sits in a pub for four hours but only drinks a half pint; more of a niggle than an annoyance (we should re-brand him as Niggle Forage - an annoyance who scrounges everything he can, whilst not actually doing any of the work that he is paid for...).

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I see the popularity of the new Brexit Party has got you rattled, then!

Incidentally, the NHS is nothing to do with the EU elections. Given that MEPs have little say on matters of great importance, it hardly matters what their views on these subjects are. As far as I, and many, many people in this country are concerned, if we can't get out of this monstrocity of an authority, we will have no choice but to undermine it from within.

The EU know that, which is why they will not be just waiting to see what happens. They will soften on the backstop, one way or the other, or find a way around it. If, against all common sense I'm wrong on that, I shall be looking on with great amusement. They will be begging us to leave after putting up with Faragist tactics for any length of time.

I am just surprised that so many can support something that has no manifesto, no policies and a more than fair share of unsavory candidates. Your endorsement of undemocratic methods surprises me but then Brexit has changed this country in many ways, most bad. Populism is on the rise where fear and deceit is endorsed and fairness and tolerance is discarded.

This country is less than it was and will become a divided and venal caricature of its former self. The lurch to the uncaring right and dogmatic left awaits. More likely the latter as time goes on.

Let's vote for the party with no policies that only has one ambition: to encourage hatred of our neighbours abroad and your neighbours at home.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Oh, I totally agree, but he’s not disruptive in that he is actively blocking legislation or disrupting meetings - he’s more like the guy who sits in a pub for four hours but only drinks a half pint; more of a niggle than an annoyance (we should re-brand him as Niggle Forage - an annoyance who scrounges everything he can, whilst not actually doing any of the work that he is paid for...).

He and his cabal is a disruptive force and is intended to be:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...resa-may-party

Sky News host Isabel Webster then asked whether Mr Farage agreed with Jacob Rees-Moggs latest Tweet where he expressed his outrage of the prospect of a long extension.

The Tweet read: “If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible.

“We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes.

Mr Farage replied: “I have been trying to do that for 20 years in the European Parliament.

“I have done my best but it is very hard to stop them.

Originally Posted by ianch99

You can be disruptive by not doing the job you are obligated to do. Farage is a member of the fisheries committee, but has not attended a single meeting in the past two-and-a-half years.

If you are elected, you have a duty to do the job you are getting the salary for. Period.

Is this parody?

We elected a ton of MPs to honour the referendum result, they are paid more and are not doing what they got elected on. So don’t go on about duty and principles when hardly any of the scumbags in parliament are doing what they’re paid to do.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Is this parody?

We elected a ton of MPs to honour the referendum result, they are paid more and are not doing what they got elected on. So don’t go on about duty and principles when hardly any of the scumbags in parliament are doing what they’re paid to do.

No parody. The MP's, mostly, are doing their job: defending the best interests of their country and constituencies.

Ironically, it was the Hard Brexit MP's that did not vote for Brexit when it was on a plate in front of them. There's your parody!

Originally Posted by ianch99

No parody. The MP's, mostly, are doing their job: defending the best interests of their country and constituencies.

Ironically, it was the Hard Brexit MP's that did not vote for Brexit when it was on a plate in front of them. There's your parody!

Yes I know you have been posting parody, you don't need to tell me, I know!

The best interests of the country are, that we will be better out, not in and the people of the UK voted for it!

And more Constituencies voted to leave so no they are not serving their Constituencies, at all - utter bollocks.

The deal you speak of, i.e May's deal is not Brexit. So quite right they vote against it as did many more Remain MPs.

MPs were elected on Manifesto's that said they honour the referendum result, so not they are not doing their job at all. So I reaffirm my statement that you should not go on about duty and principles when hardly any of the scumbags in parliament are doing what they’re paid to do.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

No parody. The MP's, mostly, are doing their job: defending the best interests of their country and constituencies.

Ironically, it was the Hard Brexit MP's that did not vote for Brexit when it was on a plate in front of them. There's your parody!

Spot on. Love it how some have fallen for the flakey betrayal narrative. Bottom line is if all the MPs who agreed to support the leave decision - and that includes former Remainers too who endorsed the vote like Philp Hammond - could actually reach a consensus on the type of withdrawal agreement then we would have left the EU by now.

[Angua]

Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall did more to change the EU fishing policies than ever Farage.

Originally Posted by Angua

Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall did more to change the EU fishing policies than ever Farage.

Oh really and what policies did he actually change that “benefited” the UK fishing trade?

Well, actually Farage influenced the Tory party to hold Referendum on leaving EU and eventually win it, so that we would be totally out of EU corrupt trade policies, but because of Remainers at the helm, we’re still in the EU.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Spot on. Love it how some have fallen for the flakey betrayal narrative. Bottom line is if all the MPs who agreed to support the leave decision - and that includes former Remainers too who endorsed the vote like Philp Hammond - could actually reach a consensus on the type of withdrawal agreement then we would have left the EU by now.

Yes, so flakey that we have a Brexit Party soaring in all the polls, beating mainstream political parties. Where the hell is Change UK?

They’re the “flakey” ones. Only yesterday, 50 ChUK’er Activists complained to the leadership, saying they had nothing to work with, no election materials, no candidate photos. So bad they’re trailing in the polls. The people of the UK want to leave and have not changed their minds. So I’ll give you what is actually “flakey”.

Change UK should have joined/merged with the Liberals. The latter have a party base, staff ,voter database and all the other stuff that makes up a political party.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Change UK should have joined/merged with the Liberals. The latter have a party base, staff ,voter database and all the other stuff that makes up a political party.

But they wanted a new kind of politics not someone else's old hat vision.

Added a new poll for European elections. Tried to include all new parties and for those not even bothering to vote. (Votes cast in the poll are private, other members will not be able to tell who you voted for).

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Added a new poll for European elections. Tried to include all new parties and for those not even bothering to vote. (Votes cast in the poll are private, other members will not be able to tell who you voted for).

You're getting addicted to these polls Mick ! Blue for Labour, Red for Tory ?

Originally Posted by Mr K

You're getting addicted to these polls Mick ! Blue for Labour, Red for Tory ?

No control of how the colours appear. Unless you know colour of the sequence they appear, no way to say how they appear for the party of choice.

I am not addicted to polls. Yes I have repeatedly stated, I do not trust polls and for good reason. David Cameron was not suppose to get a full majority in 2015 General Election.

Hillary Clinton didn't win the Presidency in the U.S despite every poll saying she was persistently ahead. They are not reliable but they are only the only way of measuring public mood and yes they can get it wrong.

At least the Libs are Yellow

Mick not sure if you wanted to add UKIP?