U.S President: Donald Trump

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I think when you start talking about what someone did when they reached the age of 600, you have probably lost most of your audience ..

Don't worry; I'm still here

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I think when you start talking about what someone did when they reached the age of 600, you have probably lost most of your audience ..

I agree. Do people really still believe that nonsense?

Still, if it's in the Bible, I guess it must be true.

Yeh, right!

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Don't worry; I'm still here

Well, judging by this conversation, you've still got another 920 years in you yet, PB!

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I agree. Do people really still believe that nonsense?

Many believe that it is true and know that it is not nonsense

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Still, if it's in the Bible, I guess it must be true

You can count on it being true.


If more people were aware of what the Bible says, especially about the end time period, they would have a greater understanding of the trends (globalism and the attack on the sovereign state for example.) that are happening in the world today.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Many believe that it is true and know that it is not nonsense



You can count on it being true.


If more people were aware of what the Bible says, especially about the end time period, they would have a greater understanding of the trends (globalism and the attack on the sovereign state for example.) that are happening in the world today.

Where's the Hitch when you need him? I guess Sam Harris will have to do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSdGr4K4qLg

[Jimmy-J]

Trump live "Time to exit the Paris accord"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvsTIsPmyic

People like Trump better hope that their belief that this is all a con will eventually be vindicated because if not history will treat them very unkindly.

Originally Posted by Damien

People like Trump better hope that their belief that this is all a con will eventually be vindicated because if not history will treat them very unkindly.

He has not totally closed the door to be fair. He wants the deal renegotiated so that it doesn't cost so many American jobs. He said he don't agree with China being allowed to build more Coal Stations for next 13 years and America not being allowed to build none.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

He has not totally closed the door to be fair. He wants the deal renegotiated so that it doesn't cost so many American jobs. He said he don't agree with China being allowed to build more Coal Stations for next 13 years and America not being allowed to build none.

Admittedly he is correct in that the Paris accord penalises the US and other developed countries.

It will be interesting how he gets around article 28 though.

1. At any time after three years from the date on which this Agreement has entered into force for a Party, that Party may withdraw from this Agreement by giving written notification to the Depositary.

2. Any such withdrawal shall take effect upon expiry of one year from the date of receipt by the Depositary of the notification of withdrawal, or on such later date as may be specified in the notification of withdrawal.

Link

As the Paris Climate Accord was only signed last year by the US then it can only legally withdraw in 2020 at the earliest.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

Trump live "Time to exit the Paris accord"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvsTIsPmyic

I see Theresa has expressed her 'disappointment' (to who, the Downing St. cat?). Way to go girl, bet the president is quaking in his sneakers at her disappointment. She should grow a pair and withdraw his Royal visit; that would scupper his golfing plans and probably make him change his mind.

Originally Posted by Mr K

I see Theresa has expressed her 'disappointment' (to who, the Downing St. cat?). Way to go girl, bet the president is quaking in his sneakers at her disappointment. She should grow a pair and withdraw his Royal visit; that would scupper his golfing plans and probably make him change his mind.

I said this to someone else. If Trump ignores both his daughter and U.S Secretary of State, to remain in the Paris Accord, what chances do you think a British Prime Minister has ?

End of day, this should be no surprise, he said he was going to do it on campaign trail.

Let's also blame Barack Obama for not sealing the deal, by not gaining Senate approval that would have stopped Trump doing what he has done.

Let's also say he has not closed the door. He wants to protect America's interests but wants the Paris accord renegotiated.

I also don't see you having a go at China, them being allowed to continue building Coal stations for next 13 years, no wonder Trump is pissed off with the deal. It could be put back on table but you have Macron in Paris, Merkel in Germany, completely objecting to any new negotiation. Don't know about anyone else but I'm already getting fed up of hearing Merkels feelings, it's like she has something to say nearly every day.

I don't think he'll have much success renegotiating, he hasn't exactly reaching out to American's international allies during the last few months. The tough talk against the likes of Germany may play well domestically but it both limits those countries willingness to make concessions as well as reducing their political scope for doing so even if they wanted it too.

So I think America's participation in this agreement is dead for now.

I also wonder what exactly is in it for us considering the way May has put herself out there for him. Flying over so soon after the election, the very quick offer of a State Visit and refusing to sign yesterday's condemnation. She is being loyal so far but she must expect some sort of reward for doing so. Personally I think he'll throw us and May under the bus if there is any sort of political advantage in doing so but we'll see....

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

I also wonder what exactly is in it for us considering the way May has put herself out there for him. Flying over so soon after the election, the very quick offer of a State Visit and refusing to sign yesterday's condemnation. She is being loyal so far but she must expect some sort of reward for doing so. Personally I think he'll throw us and May under the bus if there is any sort of political advantage in doing so but we'll see....

Trade deal?

Originally Posted by pip08456

Trade deal?

Yes. It's what we're all assuming.

But such things are hard to negotiate and require concessions. I am not sure I see Trump signing anything where any element of it could be considered as making a concession. It will largely be negotiated by congress all of whom will want to protect industries in their own states.

I am wary of the whole thing.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yes. It's what we're all assuming.

But such things are hard to negotiate and require concessions. I am not sure I see Trump signing anything where any element of it could be considered as making a concession. It will largely be negotiated by congress all of whom will want to protect industries in their own states.

I am wary of the whole thing.

You should be wary, it's not like America have a history of pushing smaller countries around in trade deals is it

[ntluser]

I imagine that a lot of the people who voted for him are wondering what he has actually done to improve things for them.

He professes to defend and uphold the constitution but then takes actions that violate it.

He gets rid of Obamacare but has not put anything in its place so what do poor people needing medical help do.

I wonder too what action he is taking to provide more jobs for the unemployed who voted for him especially as reports indicate the number of new jobs created is fewer than expected.

And what had happened to the Mexican Wall designed to keep illegal Mexican immigrants from getting into the country?

Trump is a loose cannon in the White House and seems to be operating the policy according to Donald Trump.

He seems to be pulling out of national agreements and wants to renegotiate them and wants to throw his weight around with other world leaders.

I wonder where it will all lead.