Brexit

Emmanuel Macron: "In the case of a negative vote in the British Parliament, we will be going to a no-deal, we all know that.

"It is absolutely essential to be clear in these days and these moments, because it is a matter of the good functioning of the EU.

"We cannot have what I would call an excessive extension which would harm our capacity to decision and to act.”

Reported here at 2.30pm: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ments-47614151

Just in case anyone still thinks they can see a hint of anyone failing to rule out a long delay. Unanimity is required for any extension to be granted. Macron will agree to a short technical extension to allow the WA to be implemented, but if Parliament rejects it again, there will be a No Deal Brexit.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Emmanuel Macron: "In the case of a negative vote in the British Parliament, we will be going to a no-deal, we all know that.

"It is absolutely essential to be clear in these days and these moments, because it is a matter of the good functioning of the EU.

"We cannot have what I would call an excessive extension which would harm our capacity to decision and to act.”

Reported here at 2.30pm: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ments-47614151

Just in case anyone still thinks they can see a hint of anyone failing to rule out a long delay. Unanimity is required for any extension to be granted. Macron will agree to a short technical extension to allow the WA to be implemented, but if Parliament rejects it again, there will be a No Deal Brexit.

Time to start panic buying those pot noodles

Originally Posted by Chris

Emmanuel Macron: "In the case of a negative vote in the British Parliament, we will be going to a no-deal, we all know that.

"It is absolutely essential to be clear in these days and these moments, because it is a matter of the good functioning of the EU.

"We cannot have what I would call an excessive extension which would harm our capacity to decision and to act.”

Reported here at 2.30pm: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ments-47614151

Just in case anyone still thinks they can see a hint of anyone failing to rule out a long delay. Unanimity is required for any extension to be granted. Macron will agree to a short technical extension to allow the WA to be implemented, but if Parliament rejects it again, there will be a No Deal Brexit.

Probably. I think at least one EU leader would veto it for domestic reasons. Although Remainers will be banking, hoping, they will reconsider if it was between that and no deal. After all ideally the EU want May's deal to pass.

Originally Posted by Dave42

no only thing kremlin founded was the leave campaign hope that helps

Enough!!! - sick of silly accusations like this - it did no such thing to the extent that there there is any evidence it actually manipulated people's influence to vote leave - people in UK do have their own minds you know, you will do anything to invalidate a decision you do not agree with it - it's pathetic.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The argument for Brexit has been won and the Withdrawal Agreement reflects this. The argument for the form of Brexit has not. That's why the ERG and DUP need to support this agreement and then make their case during trade negotiations. If they supported it, most Tory MPs would too. They are the log jam through an obsession with s clean Brexit, not Remainers.

You are so wrong, Andrew. None of the other ideas put forward actually amount to leaving the EU, a point which remainers continually don't get. The 'red lines' Corbyn wants to dismantle relate to the very reasons leavers voted to leave (not accepting free movement, etc). There is only one form of Brexit ( a no-deal) or Withdrawal Agreement first, then Brexit.

It is, in the end, a binary choice, much as remainers don't like it.

Originally Posted by Damien

Probably. I think at least one EU leader would veto it for domestic reasons. Although Remainers will be banking, hoping, they will reconsider if it was between that and no deal. After all ideally the EU want May's deal to pass.

I think their primary objective is to get May’s deal to pass. However their secondary objective is clearly to get Brexit over with. All this talk of lengthy extensions is absurd. It isn’t going to happen. The EU wants this over and done with and over the last 36 hours they really couldn’t have been any clearer.

Whether or not the WA is debated, and passed, next week now depends on whether remainer MPs still want to believe they are being bluffed. If they think the threat of No Deal occurring next week is real, they will either support the WA or abstain. If they think it’s a bluff they will vote it down again. If they do that, I am convinced they will bring about No Deal and I further believe that this will be weaponised against them come the next election. Interesting times ahead.

What if we switched the national language to French in exchange for zero-tariff trade with France?

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Originally Posted by Chris

I think their primary objective is to get May’s deal to pass. However their secondary objective is clearly to get Brexit over with. All this talk of lengthy extensions is absurd. It isn’t going to happen. The EU wants this over and done with and over the last 36 hours they really couldn’t have been any clearer.

Whether or not the WA is debated, and passed, next week now depends on whether remainer MPs still want to believe they are being bluffed. If they think the threat of No Deal occurring next week is real, they will either support the WA or abstain.

I agree it's just that I absolutely think the Remainer MPs believe they are bluffing and there is just about enough ambiguity in some of the statements to allow them to believe even if they're looking too much into it.

If I had to bet. We're leaving next Friday.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Damien

What if we switched the national language to French in exchange for zero-tariff trade with France?

Surely it’s more cost effective to give them some fish?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien;35987968[B

]What if we switched the national language to French in exchange for zero-tariff trade with France?[/B]

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I agree it's just that I absolutely think the Remainer MPs believe they are bluffing and there is just about enough ambiguity in some of the statements to allow them to believe even if they're looking too much into it.

If I had to bet. We're leaving next Friday.

As long as it's after my skiing holiday in hell

Originally Posted by Damien

What if we switched the national language to French in exchange for zero-tariff trade with France?

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I agree it's just that I absolutely think the Remainer MPs believe they are bluffing and there is just about enough ambiguity in some of the statements to allow them to believe even if they're looking too much into it.

If I had to bet. We're leaving next Friday.

I agree.

There have been too many twists and turns and Teresa May has given herself a reputation for indecision that historians will marvel at a century from now. Add to that the huge remain majority in the Commons, the Westminster Bubble effect and a dash of wishful thinking and it isn’t hard to see how they could be about to make a serious miscalculation.

As Papa Smurf says, if you’re partial to a Pot Noodle, now might be a good time to make sure your cupboard is stocked ...

Originally Posted by papa smurf

As long as it's after my skiing holiday in hell

I think we can make that work. You see, we're finally finding a Brexit consensus in the country.

[Carth]

I'm late to the party again . . too much work, not enough play

anyway, returning to this for a minute

Originally Posted by Angua

Since her speech This petition has grown by over 350,000 signatures. It was only started a month ago.

It has now reached over 1 million signatures, which sounds quite impressive until you look closely at the map that goes with it: https://petitionmap.unboxedconsultin...etition=241584 and then you see that even in the areas with the highest concentration of signatures (Bristol West for example) there are almost 7,000 signatures . . a whopping 5.33% of the 130,187 constituents. The vast majority of the map has signatures from between 1% & 2% of the constituents.

I think there's a fair way to go before the signatures reach anywhere near the 52% mark

The Revoke Art 50 Petition has surpassed a million signatories in very short time thanks to the Media helping it go viral. (I also suspect dubious processes are in play here also).

As usual, London bubble very heavy in favour of revoking according to the map, not that my response would be, when it passes 17.4 Million, we should care but should it ever do (very unlikely), perhaps we should demand a second petition, fair is fair right?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

there's nothing as bitter as an ex UKIP activist .

Dunno you come close, tbh I've never had a problem with uncle nige, it was the rest of them and it still is the rest of them, I see the leader of the new party he's associated with has had to stand down for being rather unpleasant. One thing I did I want to ask him though is if he was aware what his name meant in Latin

Originally Posted by Mick

The Revoke Art 50 Petition has surpassed a million signatories in very short time thanks to the Media helping it go viral. (I also suspect dubious processes are in play here also).

As usual, London bubble very heavy in favour of revoking according to the map, not that my response would be, when it passes 17.4 Million, we should care but should it ever do (very unlikely), perhaps we should demand a second petition, fair is fair right?

Well why wait until then? You can have as many petitions as you want on the site.