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Old 20-03-2020, 11:21   #2686
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Old 20-03-2020, 19:35   #2687
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I'm not totally unreasonable Seph, I just disagree with you about most things
I can't make up my mind whether you have made an aphorism or an oxymoron.
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Old 20-03-2020, 21:10   #2688
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Nobody gives a toss about Brexit any longer.
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Old 20-03-2020, 21:26   #2689
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Nobody gives a toss about Brexit any longer.
You wish.

Brexit has occurred ... we are out, and already feeling the benefits of not being pressured into following stratagems dreamed up in Brussels.

As far as the end of the transitional period goes, well I suspect it will be extended probably 6-9 months, unless of course the tin-eared Von der Leyen continues to insist on linkage with state subsidy rules, which is the one thing we most need to retain control of as we try to work our way out of this pandemic mess. If she pushes back hard on that then HMG might just decide things canít actually get any worse than they already are and just let the no deal deadline pass at the end of the year.
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Nobody gives a toss about Brexit any longer.
Dude, itís done - get over it.

It may take longer than initially envisaged (due to, you know, the unforeseen semi-apocalypse), but itís going to happen.

Not if, but when.
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Old 20-03-2020, 22:03   #2691
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Dude, itís done - get over it.

It may take longer than initially envisaged (due to, you know, the unforeseen semi-apocalypse), but itís going to happen.

Not if, but when.
Either way Hugh, no one,apart from the demented, gives a toss. Having our families alive and well is more of a priority.
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Either way Hugh, no one,apart from the demented, gives a toss. Having our families alive and well is more of a priority.
As I've already said, we are all capable of "giving a toss" about more than one issue.
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Old 25-03-2020, 10:27   #2693
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You wish.

Brexit has occurred ... we are out, and already feeling the benefits of not being pressured into following stratagems dreamed up in Brussels.

As far as the end of the transitional period goes, well I suspect it will be extended probably 6-9 months, unless of course the tin-eared Von der Leyen continues to insist on linkage with state subsidy rules, which is the one thing we most need to retain control of as we try to work our way out of this pandemic mess. If she pushes back hard on that then HMG might just decide things canít actually get any worse than they already are and just let the no deal deadline pass at the end of the year.
Boris will resist any extension because he has committed himself to 'getting this done' by the end of the year, and although he would have the perfect excuse now for an extension, he will be aware that his detractors will be claiming that this is 'another' promise broken.

I suspect he won't be going there.
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Re: [Updated] The UKís future relationship with the EU

Interesting point, OB. I would prefer to hold to the current deadline.
But there's more to this. Let's say that the Guvmin holds fast and let's assume that ultimately the EU is not so up itself that it wants not to have a deal. Might they not offer negotiating concessions in exchange for an extension? I'd hope that the Guvmin has this in their minds.
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Re: [Updated] The UKís future relationship with the EU

Hope the silly sods on both sides stop trying to score points and recognise that disease doesn't care about trade borders and work together. It's to both sides advantage to end this pandemic.
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Old 25-03-2020, 10:55   #2696
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Interesting point, OB. I would prefer to hold to the current deadline.
But there's more to this. Let's say that the Guvmin holds fast and let's assume that ultimately the EU is not so up itself that it wants not to have a deal. Might they not offer negotiating concessions in exchange for an extension? I'd hope that the Guvmin has this in their minds.
European (world) economies are going to take a savage beating for a good part of the year.

Only the most arrogant and stupid would put in place barriers to help these economies recover.

If the UK and EU don't come to an agreement and if there isn't an extension (I personally think there would need to be 3-6 extension), I wouldn't be surprised to see EU members take unilateral measures (whatever ones they can).
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European (world) economies are going to take a savage beating for a good part of the year.

Only the most arrogant and stupid would put in place barriers to help these economies recover.

If the UK and EU don't come to an agreement and if there isn't an extension (I personally think there would need to be 3-6 extension), I wouldn't be surprised to see EU members take unilateral measures (whatever ones they can).
Spot on with the bit in bold. It will be a non-issue and will probably be delayed a year or so. We've left the EU as he promised so Boris can face any challengers down.
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Spot on with the bit in bold. It will be a non-issue and will probably be delayed a year or so. We've left the EU as he promised so Boris can face any challengers down.
We can now implement new trade deals with countries world wide?
We are still under the ECJ?
Do we still have to folow EU rules.

If the answer to any of them is no then we haven't fully left.
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We can now implement new trade deals with countries world wide?
We are still under the ECJ?
Do we still have to folow EU rules.

If the answer to any of them is no then we haven't fully left.
we're in the transition period. which id due to end at the end of the year, with or without a trade agreement.

after this crisis an equitable agreement will be essential for both sides, so i would expect one.
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You wish.

Brexit has occurred ... we are out, and already feeling the benefits of not being pressured into following stratagems dreamed up in Brussels.

As far as the end of the transitional period goes, well I suspect it will be extended probably 6-9 months, unless of course the tin-eared Von der Leyen continues to insist on linkage with state subsidy rules, which is the one thing we most need to retain control of as we try to work our way out of this pandemic mess. If she pushes back hard on that then HMG might just decide things canít actually get any worse than they already are and just let the no deal deadline pass at the end of the year.
Even bearing in mind the coronavirus issue, I think Boris will find it unplatable as well as risky politically to extend the transition period. He is anxious to show, over the shouts of 'liar, liar' that he can deliver what he promised.

As I understand it, negotiations are continuing via videolink. Far better than trotting back and forth between here and the Continent. It's about time we stopped jetting around the world to have talks with overseas governments. It's not necessary these days.
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