Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[popper]

Originally Posted by Ravenheart

I'm about to email Viviane Reding, the European Comissioner for Information, informing her of the latest developments. I'll also ask if she could put something on the newsroom section of her site regarding the response she gave to Oar Wellian.

http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barro...g/index_en.htm

im keeping an eye on the http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj...s/index_en.htm

but its very sparse there, perhaps she might try and get the working party involved and get some updates put there ASAP to keep us informed....

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Originally Posted by popper

you could make a torrent of it and find a server to take it from or use the Vuse/Azureus upload user content is probably the better long term option!
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/

heres the direct publish url for vuse (the fancy GUI part of AZ does it too btw)

http://www.vuze.com/app

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lol , 30 members and 76 guests, i guess the CJ videos links have become popular....

welcome guest readers, join up and post your comments, its always good to hear another POV.....

[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by mark777

We need to look out for the big volumes being sold, like the trade yesterday.

Are both of the £1 million trades from yesterday confirmed?
I couldn't find any details this morning.

[popper]

LOL, it seems there are people helping to inform the http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=12751 news coverage and bring a little ballance to the copy

btw all the new guests might like to pop over to the BT-RIPA petition if you have a few seconds spare....
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe...ned.cgi?BTRipa

[mark777]

Originally Posted by roadrunner69

Are both of the £1 million trades from yesterday confirmed?
I couldn't find any details this morning.

Well the google graph still indicates a volume of 141k shares yesterday, which would suggest 2 large trades.

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM

(use the 1 month view and put the cursor over yesterday, volume shown top right of graph).

I suspect anyone wanting better information has to pay for it.

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Even simpler. On the 3 day view you can still see the trade, with a volume of 130k!)

[bigsanta11]

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=12452

Is Phorm's targeted ad system illegal?

I feel that really i should say something here. Just to clarify this to the general public: this isn't evil technology it just means that (through clever/innovative use of technology) when you are thinking of buying a car you will see car adverts rather than washing up liquid. Advertising is not evil, it is what pays for you to get access to all the free content. This is simply putting advertising in the context of your life rather than your website. There is no great conspiracy to acquire your bank details, we work in advertising, our wine drinking friends would look down on us ;-)

or just someone who's fallen for kents spin ?

[AlexanderHanff]

OK I have confirmed things with BBC now for next week, so it is definitely going ahead. I will post more stuff later but I have to go to a meeting just now.

Alexander Hanff

[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by mark777

Well the google graph still indicates a volume of 141k shares yesterday, which would suggest 2 large trades.

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM

(use the 1 month view and put the cursor over yesterday, volume shown top right of graph).

I suspect anyone wanting better information has to pay for it.

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Even simpler. On the 3 day view you can still see the trade, with a volume of 130k!)

Cheers Mark, the maths added up but the trades were so close together it was hard to separate them

[Bonglet]

Guys i am a bit concerned and could be totally barking mad as i have just noticed something which may or may not affect me and would like peoples opinion from a vm customers point of view i had problems of a very peculiar type which seem now to coincide with the time that bt has admitted to the bt 2007 trials. but with virgin media being my supplier could they have done similar trials at the same time?

I am only asking this as i last year noticed very unusuall latency a time after i was upgraded onto 20mb i was also at the same time having some sort of machine latency issue (I have built and repaired a number of pc's through out my time).

How do i know as a customer that these irregular happening's were not down to virgin media testing phorm kit in secret as there was no way of me as a user knowing as they could have been testing out the stealth aspect which nothing could detect at the time when no one knew about it?.

If my problems were related to it and virgin media were at a later date to come out and admit to also taking part in trials at a date where i was having those problems even though i had no evidence on my actuall machine, given the scope at which dr clayton talked about system and network degredation at the time he viewed this kit (it could have been modified to work better by this time this year).

Could i use call records or my recipts of having to replace hardware at that time to bring about any type of criminal proceedings?.

I could be 100% barking mad but was just something i have just realised might not have any relevance at all (and could be quick to dismiss by vm as spyware for my operating system or network congestion for the latency issue).

[Pasanonic]

Another article about the meeting, adding little but I'll report it just the same as it popped in my inbox recently.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/188361/p...d-herring.html

[jelv]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Impact on your web site in traffic terms is likely to be small.

However, given their current statements, you may see a significant increase in requests for robots.txt (because Phorm will need to query this file for every browser who accesses your site, and is unlikely to cache it for future reference, given the number of web sites on the internet). Contrast with Google; Google will query robots.txt then ignore the rest of your site for days.

In operational terms, if your site includes application driven content (like a CMS, shop, or eCommerce app) you are likely to see higher latency on first connection, and lower end to end reliability and performance.

In copyright terms, the effort you expend designing, organising, gathering, optimising, authoring and editing content will be used by Phorm to target advertising... to benefit your lazier competitors.

Pete.

Thanks. I'm cheesed off enough with the idea that they will be exploiting the information on my site being read by visitors for their commercial gain; the thought that it could also cost me money by putting up my bandwidth didn't bear thinking about!

[Pasanonic]

Originally Posted by Bonglet

Guys i am a bit concerned and could be totally barking mad as i have just noticed something which may or may not affect me and would like peoples opinion from a vm customers point of view i had problems of a very peculiar type which seem now to coincide with the time that bt has admitted to the bt 2007 trials. but with virgin media being my supplier could they have done similar trials at the same time?

I am only asking this as i last year noticed very unusuall latency a time after i was upgraded onto 20mb i was also at the same time having some sort of machine latency issue (I have built and repaired a number of pc's through out my time).

How do i know as a customer that these irregular happening's were not down to virgin media testing phorm kit in secret as there was no way of me as a user knowing as they could have been testing out the stealth aspect which nothing could detect at the time when no one knew about it?.

If my problems were related to it and virgin media were at a later date to come out and admit to also taking part in trials at a date where i was having those problems even though i had no evidence on my actuall machine, given the scope at which dr clayton talked about system and network degredation at the time he viewed this kit (it could have been modified to work better by this time this year).

Could i use call records or my recipts of having to replace hardware at that time to bring about any type of criminal proceedings?.

I could be 100% barking mad but was just something i have just realised might not have any relevance at all (and could be quick to dismiss by vm as spyware for my operating system or network congestion for the latency issue).

Tinfoil hat methinks.

[Bonglet]

Well might be tinfoil hat time indeed but look at my join date for this board then if virgin media do come out and admit to any trials would i have a case thats all im asking?

[Chroma]

Long time lurker, 1st time poster.

The attitudes of some people in this forum seem (atleast in my opinion) to reflect an air of futility with regards to keeping phorm off British network equipment. This is again reflected with key Phorm spokesmen to an extent also.

Not meaning to get off topic here in any regard but i find it reminiscant of Wal-Mart vs Englewood where Wal-Mart (the largest company on the face of the earth) wished to build a store in the district of california and was met with a less than warm response from the community.

Lee Scott's own words where along the lines of "Just because a small portion of a community doesnt want us in their community, Does that mean we're not going to go?" only to have this small group of upstarts completely thwart the companies attempts to pay off state senators (for zoning permissions) and attempting to keep the community out of the states community planning procedures.
Its frankly one of the best success stories I've ever heard, whereby David took on not only Goliath but his entire clan.

For more information on this event i recomend people watch "Wal-mart; The high cost of low prices" Its an interesting view on corporate greed from battery farming of humans, a business model that ties in close to the mark of what Phorm wish to achieve.

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Back on track, has anyone here had a response from any parliamentary figure regarding Phorm?
So far ive contacted almost every MSP (im Scottish) i can track down via email, postal mail and even a few by telephone (to which ive been frankly dismissed) Ive contacted Labour officials, SNP officials, Conservative, and even Socialist figures (whom i figured would be positively ravenous to take up the torch)
None of my communications have been offensive, overly technical or inflamitory (i chose my wording to officials carefully), sticking to purely laymans terms and hard facts backed by evidence as opposed to scaremongering and opinionated drivel.
I find it appaling that none of my Government representatives, the people elected to voice my concerns on the political stage want anything to do with the fiasco.
I've yet to even hear an excuse and am instead confronted with stoic silence.

Anyone else had any success in contacting their government reps?

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I should have mentioned that i am neither a BT/Virgin/CWH customer, im on an ISP that thus far has had nothing to do with Phorm (although i dont see it as a stretch that they would easily bandwaggon should a rollout prove to be sucessful)

[CaptJamieHunter]

It seems that LiveLeak.com doesn't like the videos. I've asked for an explanation of why they have been rejected as the footage is of a public meeting at which people were invited to bring cameras.

[Pasanonic]

Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter

It seems that LiveLeak.com doesn't like the videos. I've asked for an explanation of why they have been rejected as the footage is of a public meeting at which people were invited to bring cameras.

Was there some reason not to just put them on youtube?

I'll download them now and get on with it if you like ( with full credit and links )