Catholic Church admits Bible is BS

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Russ

Just tried to give you an out

he will be quite proud of himself but that kind of pride is a sin

[Russ]

Now you just sound petty….

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Russ

Now you just sound petty….

I guess ya right, guess I am a sinner too

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

No I will let your reply to Russ do just that

We give all literature away for free. Witnesses donate what they want no plate no standing with a look at what I give, all anon. No one has been charged for a book in a long long time

on that note I will go watch some telly

There doesn’t have to be a cover price for it to be a money spinner. And there doesn’t have to be a receipt book at the back of the hall for it to be a wheeze. Cults often don’t have trouble extracting cash from their followers and the money to pay for all those thousands of publishing units around the world is obviously coming from somewhere. They are taking you for a ride. The other day you said you could “put it down” as witness, or a return visit, if you were posting on here. Someone somewhere is obviously keeping tabs on your performance as a JW.

Originally Posted by Chris

There doesn’t have to be a cover price for it to be a money spinner. And there doesn’t have to be a receipt book at the back of the hall for it to be a wheeze. Cults often don’t have trouble extracting cash from their followers and the money to pay for all those thousands of publishing units around the world is obviously coming from somewhere. They are taking you for a ride. The other day you said you could “put it down” as witness, or a return visit, if you were posting on here. Someone somewhere is obviously keeping tabs on your performance as a JW.

https://register-of-charities.charit...ancial-history

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Chris

There doesn’t have to be a cover price for it to be a money spinner. And there doesn’t have to be a receipt book at the back of the hall for it to be a wheeze. Cults often don’t have trouble extracting cash from their followers and the money to pay for all those thousands of publishing units around the world is obviously coming from somewhere. They are taking you for a ride. The other day you said you could “put it down” as witness, or a return visit, if you were posting on here. Someone somewhere is obviously keeping tabs on your performance as a JW.

where does your church get its money for its upkeep ?

all the money as I have said on numerous occasions is voluntary and it funds everything. Bare in mine there are 8 million baptised publishers and most of the buildings are built by witnesses cutting a lot of costs.

You are just grabbing out at anything with your agenda to discredit us while I am more than happy to try to be a good Christian and not come back at you like for like. Your example does enough in itself

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://register-of-charities.charit...ancial-history

I choose to repohttps://thecounter.org/churches-usda-covid-19-food-boxes-boundaries-church-and-state/snd to this

That is less than £20 per baptized publisher

here is a little example of where some of that money went

https://www.fijitimes.com/churchs-re...ed-by-cyclone/

Here is another

http://www.tribune242.com/news/2017/...ane-aftermath/

and another

https://thecounter.org/churches-usda...rch-and-state/

I made sure these articles were not on JW.org as I know where you would go with that

Winesses were also involved in the clean up of 9/11 and every time our brothers and sisters suffer from a disaster we have teams ready to fly in a give aid/ It is very easy to paint a picture of how bad we are when all you have is the prejudice

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

where does your church get its money for its upkeep ?

all the money as I have said on numerous occasions is voluntary and it funds everything. Bare in mine there are 8 million baptised publishers and most of the buildings are built by witnesses cutting a lot of costs.

You are just grabbing out at anything with your agenda to discredit us while I am more than happy to try to be a good Christian and not come back at you like for like. Your example does enough in itself

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I choose to repohttps://thecounter.org/churches-usda-covid-19-food-boxes-boundaries-church-and-state/snd to this

That is less than £20 per baptized publisher

here is a little example of where some of that money went

https://www.fijitimes.com/churchs-re...ed-by-cyclone/

Here is another

http://www.tribune242.com/news/2017/...ane-aftermath/

and another

https://thecounter.org/churches-usda...rch-and-state/

I made sure these articles were not on JW.org as I know where you would go with that

Winesses were also involved in the clean up of 9/11 and every time our brothers and sisters suffer from a disaster we have teams ready to fly in a give aid/ It is very easy to paint a picture of how bad we are when all you have is the prejudice

From your links…

Members of the Jehovah’s Witness faith who lost their homes to STC Yasa are being assisted with newly-built dwellings.

JEHOVAH’S Witnesses from the United States are in Grand Bahama helping their fellow members who were affected by Hurricane Matthew.

When asked if the organization was distributing to Jehovah’s Witnesses only, Hendriks said that the organization also delivers food boxes to non-believers who attend bible study or services.

How very Christian - only helping members of your own Organisation, or those you can proselytise to…

Religious groups distributing Covid hunger-relief boxes are praying with recipients, taping Bible verses onto flaps, and soliciting donations. Some of these practices may violate federal regulations.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Hugh

From your links…






How very Christian - only helping members of your own Organisation, or those you can proselytise to…

hahahaha ok I wonder how many homes were built by other religions in the same circumstances . And bare in mind this is going on all the time

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

where does your church get its money for its upkeep ?

all the money as I have said on numerous occasions is voluntary and it funds everything. Bare in mine there are 8 million baptised publishers and most of the buildings are built by witnesses cutting a lot of costs.

You are just grabbing out at anything with your agenda to discredit us while I am more than happy to try to be a good Christian and not come back at you like for like. Your example does enough in itself

Oh, I make no secret of it, our church building is maintained by our members. The mission societies are all paid for from donations. The hymn books, well those we had to pay for, as is the case with the vast majority of the resources we use. Not being a cult, we are free to buy resources from a wide range of different organisations. All Christian, of course; all in accordance with the basic creed that all down the ages has been a simple way of telling the difference between orthodox, historical Christian belief and cultic error.

I’m not criticising you for your voluntary funding - a whole lot of voluntary organisations are funded that way. I am simply pointing out that an organisation that only allows you to spend that money with a single network of approved suppliers, all of whom publish material asserting that organisation’s unique ability to interpret the Bible and correctly explain the end times, is at it.

Despite training for Baptist ministry I have had teachers from various denominations who gave out reading lists including authors who are Lutheran, Anglican, various shades of Pentecostal and even a couple of Catholics. One of the most useful books of my Trinity module was written by the former Pope Benedict; I was free to draw usefully from some of his work on the subject while disagreeing with some of his ideas about how churches are locally constituted by bishops (as a Baptist, I don’t have a bishop overseer as a Catholic priest would). No single organisation has had the benefit of supplying me with all my learning material. My learning is far more well rounded and solidly grounded as a result. My pet ideas and all of my denomination’s particular convictions have been challenged, and my understand of my faith strengthened.

The actual Christian church, in all its different denominations and despite its famous and sometimes highly unedifying disagreements about patterns of worship and governance, doesn’t need an approved suppliers network because no single denomination owns orthodoxy, yet all of them know what it looks like.

The Watchtower Society, on the other hand, claims it alone knows the truth and only allows you to acquire it from its own approved outlets. That, my friend, smells fishier than a fisherman in a fishmarket.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

hahahaha ok I wonder how many homes were built by other religions in the same circumstances . And bare in mind this is going on all the time

Actually it’s fairly typical for Christian missions to do disaster relief work without faith-based preconditions. Here’s one example:

https://www.bmsworldmission.org/ministries/relief/

Through BMS relief ministries, every day, you are ensuring that desperate people get the help they need, no matter what their caste, gender or religion.

BMS is the Baptist Mission Society.

[Jaymoss]

run by donations I assume

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This is just one Baptist Church

Data for financial year ending 31 March 2020

Total income: £219,858
Total expenditure: £66,543

seems to be doing pretty well doesn't it ??

https://register-of-charities.charit...247/full-print

Do you get paid Chris?

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

run by donations I assume

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This is just one Baptist Church

Data for financial year ending 31 March 2020

Total income: £219,858
Total expenditure: £66,543

seems to be doing pretty well doesn't it ??

https://register-of-charities.charit...247/full-print

Do you get paid Chris?

Yes - full time.

We may have cross-posted. Please see my (admittedly lengthy) post above, in which I explain that volunteer funded organisations aren’t the problem, but volunteer funded organisations that only allow you to buy material from their own approved outlets, are.

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

hahahaha ok I wonder how many homes were built by other religions in the same circumstances . And bare in mind this is going on all the time

Well, I’m a volunteer driver for our local C of E church’s Food Bank (I’m a "lapsed" Catholic, and do not attend Church services (except for family occasions, as my wife & children are C of E, and when I’m helping set up & broadcast/YouTube the Sunday Services for those who could not attend due to COVID restrictions, but currently for the elderly/infirm members of the congregation)), but the Rector & Church do not discriminate/prioritise by Church membership who receives the food parcels, or proselytise to those who do (much like our local Mosques & Sikh Temples).

Hope this clarifies things.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, I’m a volunteer driver for our local C of E church’s Food Bank (I’m a "lapsed" Catholic, and do not attend Church services (except for family occasions, as my wife & children are C of E, and when I’m helping set up & broadcast/YouTube the Sunday Services for those who could not attend due to COVID restrictions, but currently for the elderly/infirm members of the congregation)), but the Rector & Church do not discriminate/prioritise by Church membership who receives the food parcels, or proselytise to those who do (much like our local Mosques & Sikh Temples).

Hope this clarifies things.

Yeah that is lovely

Thing is you have both clutched at certain aspects and I am sure your judgements on the society will not ever change no matter what I say. I found a few links to show where the money goes but that is not all we do. It is all good though I have attacked neither of you so I am fine with how it has gone

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Originally Posted by Chris

Yes - full time.

We may have cross-posted. Please see my (admittedly lengthy) post above, in which I explain that volunteer funded organisations aren’t the problem, but volunteer funded organisations that only allow you to buy material from their own approved outlets, are.

let me repeat we do not buy anything it is all free

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Yeah that is lovely

Thing is you have both clutched at certain aspects and I am sure your judgements on the society will not ever change no matter what I say. I found a few links to show where the money goes but that is not all we do. It is all good though I have attacked neither of you so I am fine with how it has gone

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let me repeat we do not buy anything it is all free

Yes, you showed us the JW money and effort went mainly to other JWs, or to proselytise - well done, you…

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Yeah that is lovely

Thing is you have both clutched at certain aspects and I am sure your judgements on the society will not ever change no matter what I say. I found a few links to show where the money goes but that is not all we do. It is all good though I have attacked neither of you so I am fine with how it has gone

I’d quite like you to break free from a cult that has ensnared you. The Watchtower Society is a cult that, erroneously, claims it alone can interpret the Bible.

If you think that my putting the boot into an organisation that is more concerned with its own network of “baptised publishers” than your welfare is attacking you personally, well I’m sorry about that but I’m not stopping. I can only hope in time you acknowledge the distinction.