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Old 17-10-2021, 19:30   #61
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

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19 years ago - not a lot of social media around then to amplify things, was there?

However, it was reported on by the BBC, the Guardian, & the Mail, so not sure what your point is?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2590539.stm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/dec/20/race.world

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nife-gang.html
It's just one case that I could remember without having to a general search. I only became aware of the case after the outcome of the trial was reported on local news. So how many people are fully aware of these cases? How much media attention did they get?
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The BBC Editorial Standards Committee in 2007 found that "there was no evidence to suggest that the BBC had shown a specific and systemic bias in favour of cases where the victim had been black or Asian", but accepted it had "underplayed its coverage of the Ross Parker case" and repeated the failings in its coverage of the murder of Kriss Donald.
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In 2006, a Sunday Times investigation by Brendan Montague examined British newspaper archives for coverage of racist crimes, finding "an almost total boycott of stories involving the white victims of attacks" whereas "cases involving black and minority ethnic victims are widely reported"
Reporting is so unbalanced, that people are not allowed to get the true picture.
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Old 17-10-2021, 20:07   #62
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

All very interesting Im sure, perhaps worthy of its own thread, but as far as this one is concerned, seems to be veering off topic.
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

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No PC in the world has special powers to know what anyone is thinking before they speak, nor are they going to intefere.
Of course, you already know this and are just being an argumentative ass for the sake of it. If you have nothing sensible to add, dont bother.
Wasn't aware I'd said they would interfere, my only ascertain was that they'd have to be quite close to the MP to effectively protect them, in fact I'm not really sure why or even how you've read so much into that with the mind reading coppers and such like.

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Then again not all attacks(including murders) get the same level of media attention.
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A racist killing of a random nature, in that they set out to kill the first white person they came across.


You have to ask "where is the killing mentality coming from". Time after time, Islam is at the core of it.
Been discussed on here a few times about a school pal of mine, Chris Yates who was murdered by an Asian gang who ran off singing we killed the white man, it'll be in the search function if you wish to read about it more
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Old 18-10-2021, 05:31   #64
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

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Wasn't aware I'd said they would interfere, my only ascertain was that they'd have to be quite close to the MP to effectively protect them, in fact I'm not really sure why or even how you've read so much into that with the mind reading coppers and such like.
Ok. Perhaps then, I have totally misunderstood you, in which case my apologies.
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

Confirmation that Labour and Liberal Democrats will stand aside in Southend West essentially following the precedent set in 2016 when the Tories/Liberals stood aside after Jo Cox was killed: https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/196...eld-candidate/
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

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Confirmation that Labour and Liberal Democrats will stand aside in Southend West essentially following the precedent set in 2016 when the Tories/Liberals stood aside after Jo Cox was killed: https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/196...eld-candidate/
A noble gesture but how does that serve democracy.
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Old 18-10-2021, 10:23   #67
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A noble gesture but how does that serve democracy.
I think for two reasons. One it ensures there isn't a seat change as a result of political violence. Jo Cox's murder was politically motivated and at the moment it seems Sir David Amess' murder was also politically motivated. No party wants the seat to change hands due to a terrorist attack. The message of unity is nice as well.

On a practical level, it also spares his local constituency party from having to have a political campaign in the aftermath of his death. I doubt they'll feel up to that and it's a very human thing to spare them that. Just as the last thing Jo Cox's local party would have wanted to do after her death is go door-knocking in Batley.
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

I hope we don't lose the freedom MP's have now in order to counter very rare events. MP's should be free to move around in their constituencies and meet/greet the public they serve and that same public should be able to easily meet their MP's in casual settings without rings of security. The same should apply to their families, staff and friends.


We also need to take care on censuring comment. There is a big difference calling someone a <fill own mild term here> than making hateful or threatening comments. The former may need to be listened to, responded with a bit of wit or ignored. The latter something more forceful. (That said the definition of "hate speech" needs to be taken carefully as some people can find they are accused of hate speech just because someone doesn't like what they say.)
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced in the House of Commons that HM The Queen has granted permission to grant City Status to Southend.
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

BREAKING: Ali Harbi Ali, 25, has been charged with the murder of MP Sir David Amess, the Crown Prosecution Service has just announced.
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Re: Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

And they are linking to terrorism.
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