Brexit

Originally Posted by jfman

That's semantics. Parliament found a way to stop Brexit. The fact the Government enabled it is a red herring. the vote of no confidence option always exists and will continue to exist.

No it is not a red herring - the government could have left it really wanted to have done on 29th March.

Btw - It has not stopped Brexit, why do you keep posting lies?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

No it is not a red herring - the government could have left it really wanted to have done on 29th March.

Btw - It has not stopped Brexit, why do you keep posting lies?

As you typed this I edited my post - I should have either said stopped it happening on March 29th or delayed Brexit. Neither of which are lies, and I think it's clear what I meant - albeit I could have been clearer with my language.

The next Government won't have the luxury of running down the clock. I hope they do try it though because it'll give the country the general election it needs.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

As you typed this I edited my post - I should have either said stopped it happening on March 29th or delayed Brexit. Neither of which are lies, and I think it's clear what I meant - albeit I could have been clearer with my language.

The next Government won't have the luxury of running down the clock. I hope they do try it though because it'll give the country the general election it needs.

I don't think the country wants another election despite the collection of buffoons queuing up to be PM. The good thing about BoJo's about turns and track record is that he may quite happily bin Brexit if it helps him stay in power .

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Originally Posted by jfman

That's semantics. Parliament found a way to delay Brexit. The fact the Government enabled it is a red herring. the vote of no confidence option always exists and will continue to exist.

Exactly.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

As you typed this I edited my post - I should have either said stopped it happening on March 29th or delayed Brexit. Neither of which are lies, and I think it's clear what I meant - albeit I could have been clearer with my language.

The next Government won't have the luxury of running down the clock. I hope they do try it though because it'll give the country the general election it needs.

The delay did not need legislation.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

The delay did not need legislation.

Statutory instruments are legislation.

Originally Posted by jfman

Statutory instruments are legislation.

Secondary Legislation I think you will find.

In any case you need to stop lying regarding what needed to happen, you keep going on how right you were, you were only right because the government allowed it to be - what I said at the time was accurate, the government could have left on 29th March had it wanted to.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Secondary Legislation I think you will find.

In any case you need to stop lying regarding what needed to happen, you keep going on how right you were, you were only right because the government allowed it to be - what I said at the time was accurate, the government could have left on 29th March had it wanted to.

It’s still legislation. The Government could have crashed us off the cliff, but I suspect deep down everyone knew Theresa May wouldn’t and would try for her deal again.

If Parliament suspects the next PM is crazy enough to go through with it the no confidence vote is a realistic proposition. Even Hammond hasn’t ruled out voting in favour of it.

Of course the safer option for MPs (given polling data) to avoid a general election would be to kick it back to the people and blame them. Each could look their electorate in the eyes and pretend they genuinely tried.

Being “allowed to be right” is a curious concept. I correctly predicted circumstances would force an extension. My next roll of the dice is circumstances will force another referendum.

Others said amending the EU Withdrawal Act would require primary legislation- that was incorrect. Were they lying? Or in good faith reflecting their understanding of the situation.

[1andrew1]

Pressure on the no-deal prime ministerial candidates

Business lobby group CBI warns Tories over no-deal Brexit
The Confederation of British Industry has warned Conservative leadership candidates over leaving the EU without a deal.

A no-deal scenario would do "severe" damage to businesses, it said in an open letter to all the MPs running to lead the party.

Director general Carolyn Fairbairn warned them that smaller companies can not afford the necessary preparations for leaving without a plan.

She invited them to meet her members.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/48465791

[Carth]

The Confederation of British Industry

Funny that, I didn't think we had much British Industry left

[Dave42]

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Our latest Westminster voting intention has the Lib Dems in first place and the Brexit Party second place, with Labour and the Tories pushed into third:
Lib Dem - 24%
Brexit Party - 22%
Con - 19%
Labour - 19%
Green - 8%
UKIP - 1%
Change UK - 1%
Other - 6%

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Carth

The Confederation of British Industry

Funny that, I didn't think we had much British Industry left

We won't have when we leave if you believe brexit economics guru Patrick Minford...

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Our latest Westminster voting intention has the Lib Dems in first place and the Brexit Party second place, with Labour and the Tories pushed into third:
Lib Dem - 24%
Brexit Party - 22%
Con - 19%
Labour - 19%
Green - 8%
UKIP - 1%
Change UK - 1%
Other - 6%

And yet compared to a larger sample size in the form of Euro Elections. BP flattened the Liberal Anti-Democrats, only last week.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

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Our latest Westminster voting intention has the Lib Dems in first place and the Brexit Party second place, with Labour and the Tories pushed into third:
Lib Dem - 24%
Brexit Party - 22%
Con - 19%
Labour - 19%
Green - 8%
UKIP - 1%
Change UK - 1%
Other - 6%

The thing very much to take from that poll and many others Dave is it just tells you how deeply divided this country is..

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

And yet compared to a larger sample size in the form of Euro Elections. BP flattened the Liberal Anti-Democrats, only last week.

Doesn’t necessarily translate into a vote at a general election. UKIP for example never turned a good performance at the EP elections into anything at Westminster. Unless of course the public radically changed their minds between two dates a short timeframe apart... but we know that can’t happen

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

And yet compared to a larger sample size in the form of Euro Elections. BP flattened the Liberal Anti-Democrats, only last week.

So you're not a fan of polls again? You were getting quite enthusiastic about them